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270Buck
21-11-2010, 15:14
I have a Tikka T3 lite .270, which is factory threaded. I want to get a moderator and I have heard mixed reviews.

I like the idea of the modís that you can take apart and clean,

Budget, up to £300.

Can anyone give their recommendations?

Kind regards,

r.atkinson

tartinjock
21-11-2010, 15:23
I have had nothing but Wildcats, bought my first in 2007 and have had no problens with them. I believe the first batch of them had problems.

I have the same rifle and have a Wildcat fitted. I have no problems or complaints about the wildcats, well within your budget.

Your question will produce many different answers, if I had a Northstar/Pes/Ase Ultra, I'm sure I'd be recommending them.

Good luck with your search......

TJ

finnbear270
21-11-2010, 15:55
Wildcats.

Claret_Dabbler
21-11-2010, 16:11
I have had PES and ASE Jetz's, both very good.

I am going to say this, Roedale Delta. Bloody amazing. Half the weight of the others. Noise reduction seems to be on a par with the ASE to my ears, my buddy reckons the Roedale is quieter. I find it hard to say which. You would need scientific measuring kit to tell really.

I will do a comparison report shortly. That reduction in weight makes a huge difference when it is hung 20" out on the end of a barrel.

AndrewS
21-11-2010, 17:14
Brian

Is the Delta an end can or over the barrel design?

Andrew

flytie
21-11-2010, 17:38
I own a T8, which is effective but very heavy. If I was buying a new one I would look at;

http://www.roedaleprecision.com/epages/schalldaempfer.htm

http://www.thirdeyetactical.com/thirdeye_website_015.htm (which give you the option of a muzzle can or reflex)

http://www.donaldson-guns.co.uk/Rifles/a-tec-sound-moderator.html

http://www.gunmart.net/accessories_review/j-tec_ranger_fullbore_moderator/

They are all less than a third the weight of the T8. And maybe only 4 or 5 decibels less reduction in peak noise than the T8. The third eye and the roedale can be fitted with stainless blast baffles to stop the cutting which can occur in some calibres.

ft

finnbear270
21-11-2010, 17:41
Why not just purchase one that comes with stainless blast plate & baffles as standard?

ejg
21-11-2010, 19:19
Finnbear, the nice thing about the Delta is that one could order a moderator made for purpose.
I have three on my rifles at the moment.
A stainless 5 baffle bead blasted on my 223. This one would also take up 6.5-284, ultra sturdy. Weight 480 grams.

On my main deer rifle a sako 308 I have an all aluminium 5 baffle mod. This was a early test example and weighs 175 grams!!!!
Absolute fantastic handling rifle with this mod on. The newer Aluminium mods weigh a bit under 200 grams. I have shot about
80 rounds through that mod and checked the first baffle this afternoon, no wear. I presume it will take a few years before
the wear on the aluminium baffles could maybe become an issue, but then one can buy single baffles to replace.

On my 243 light stalking doe rifle, i have a "Light" delta 5 which is all aluminium except the first two baffles which are in stainless.
This compromise moderator weighs 280 grams.
All components can be exchanged. Only thing one must watch out for is that one doesn't use small holed baffles on a large cal rifle.
Delta have only two main sizes, up to 6.5mm and up to 9.3mm. Roedale have made some "specials" for up to 458 win mag.

Of all moderators I think the Delta range is the most flexible and ultra reliable, no messing with delrin rings and if one buys a new
rifle with a different thread one can order a new rear end with the new thread.
The all steel parkerised mods start at 260 Euro as far as i remember.

Top, "Light" 280 grams, mid "Ultralight" ~ 200grams, bottom Stainless bead blasted 480 grams.
http://i183.photobucket.com/albums/x264/ejg223/pse/DSCN5085.jpg

Size comparison to the older A-tec moderator.

http://i183.photobucket.com/albums/x264/ejg223/pse/DSCN0446.jpg

edi

Claret_Dabbler
21-11-2010, 20:59
Brian

Is the Delta an end can or over the barrel design?

Andrew

Andrew, sits on the end, it is almost identical in size to the ASE, but half the weight.

dieseldan
21-11-2010, 22:35
NORTHSTAR.

Over barrel no bushes stick it on all your centre fires job done. Stainless, so you dont need to change unless you get bored.

scotch_egg
21-11-2010, 22:43
I own 2 Jet-z's and a couple of PES now days. Had most though.

I love my PES muzzle can. Full stainless construction and £130 cheaper than a jet-z.

The only other mod I will try is a Third Eye Tactical, I really like the integrated muzzle brake design. Also the Quicksilver mods are nice but at >£500 not worthy.

Gas flows forward of your muzzle, hence my preference to forward mounted cans. I own a PES extreme for my .20 Tac and it sounds like a moderated .17 hmr.....

prometheus
21-11-2010, 22:44
wildcats 2:british:

scotch_egg
21-11-2010, 22:47
Just found a pic of the .20Tac mod.

http://i713.photobucket.com/albums/ww140/scotch_egg/P1010997.jpg

scotch_egg
21-11-2010, 22:51
Yes that is muzzle mounted before any one says its T12

Brithunter
22-11-2010, 10:33
Hmmm reading the comments I am puzzled as last year I brought my P8 Wildcat and have used it on two rifles, a 6.5x55 and the 25-06. Now I'll admit that I have put over 300 rounds through it and possibly as many as 500 but when cleaning it the other week I noticed that the stainless steel blast shield is pitted.

Now assuming that was alloy I wonder what state it would be in now?

I am considering a muzzle mounted can as on the .280 the foresight ramp will mean an over barrel reflex type cannot be used. This of course means getting another slot of one :roll: am I am considering making my own. It also occurs to me that I must shoot more than a lot do.

ejg
22-11-2010, 11:13
Brit,
for those who put many rounds through a stainless moderator would be better.
If one only fires a few zero rounds and then uses the rifle for hill stalking or
deer in heavy cover where handling is important, then the Alu mod would be interesting.
If in your case you would have shot 300 deer with those 300-500 rounds,...then I'm sure
two or three new aluminium baffles would have not broken the bank.
I used to only use a moderator for evening ambush deer shooting and would hill
stalk without a moderator because of the weight and bad handling. Now I use the
light moderator all the time. Might not shoot as much as you, but still stalk 1-2 times
a week and vermin shoot a few evenings.

Most stalkers who have handled an aluminium mod and noticed the difference
in rifle handling when mounted will eventually change to alu. Just like those who
have carried a heavy barreled rifle for stalking mostly change to something lighter
after a few years of suffering.

edi

Brithunter
22-11-2010, 11:42
Ahhh I cannot fault your reasoning on weight ;) my 25-06 is heavy with the P8 and a Harris Bi-Pod scope and leather sling it weighs nearly 12lbs :(. I did not know it weighed so much when I brought it over the phone. The stock is much denser than most it seems as the rifle weighs a good 1 1/2lbs more than the catalogue weight. So it has never been stalking yet. I was not happy with it's group consistancy so all those rounds have been in testing an load development. The first ones were wasted and it turned out an old scope had given up the ghost, a brand new one prooved faulty so it now wears the S&B 6x42 off the Medwell & Perritt until I can get a nice replacement ;).

It was then that I decided to adapt the 6.5mm for moderator use. Just checked and the 25-06 has fired 308 rounds since I acquired it. A few were not fired through the moderator to check the change in POI and to see what difference the mod makes in grouping. I cannot tell how many 6.5's have gone through it but it looks to be a bit less than I thought. Quite a bit less and perhaps only 100 rounds.

I try to shoot at the range at least twice a month but this year has been bad. First my certificate was in for variation which took some 3 1/2 months. I will not travel without the FAC on me with a rifle. and now due to Mothers injury and dad being in Hospital I have no idea when I can get a day to go to the range and add the rediculas cost of powder etc now :shock: I am shooting the .222 more to reduce cost.

If I make my own Moderator is will on the expansion chamber principle and we will see how it works. Any blast surface will need to be errosion resistant as the .280 prpoduces a lot of gas by volume and the velocity will be high.. The .280 rifle weighs 6lbs 5 ozs at the moment but it does not have it's iron sights yet and the chamber has to be reamed but I doubt it will go over 6 1/2lbs before the scope is added.

Sadly I cannot stalk as often as I would like :(.

dennisgrm
22-11-2010, 14:20
Hi,

The new A-Tec CMM4 Alu moderator is a geat new lightweight. Just 220g with a built in internal, steel muzzle break and modular design. Again an in front of muzzle design but sooooo light.

The brand new SL5 by ASE UTRA... Again proving they lead the market with innovative design. Just 4", yes 4" stainless steel. Similar diameter to the AUC Jet-Z and it works...

But if you want pure performance the AUC Jet-Z is your baby. On the sound meter its not yet been rivaled, 2-3 db better than the rest.

However the latest mod by A-Tec, 'The Maxim' (not yet out in the UK). Proves to be a real performer in the prototype stage testing. Over barrel design, lightweight maybe a little larger than most the new stuff, but hey it may just be the quietest mod available soon.

Dennis

270Buck
22-11-2010, 23:12
Having looked up some of the suggestions I will be considering my options.

Thanks again for all your replies, I hope that I don't go deaf before I make my decison!!

flyingfisherman
22-11-2010, 23:26
Anyone tried the lawrence precision auroras, the titanium jobbies? I know theyre a heap smaller and lighter than my P8 but are they anywhere near as effective as the P8/T8s?

CRUMPY
23-11-2010, 19:40
I too shoot a Tikka T3 in 270 and have had no problems or issues with the Wildcat I had fitted, I use T8s on my other rifles but chose the Wildcat for the 270 for it's ease of cleaning, they all do the job though.

private fraser
24-11-2010, 21:38
I saw and handled a "Third-eye" mod recently (someone gave the link in an earlier post). A cracking piece of kit. Light,nice finish,very well engineered and about £200. If I was in the market again it would be what I'd get.

fraser

pigglet
24-11-2010, 21:55
A few pics of the thirdeye...........
Third eye tactical moderator. Pics and Info (http://www.thestalkingdirectory.co.uk/showthread.php?16694-Third-eye-tactical-moderator.-Pics-and-Info)

rigboot
25-11-2010, 21:22
Not as good as your quality pics above pigglet but here's a few quick snaps of the Evo / Third Eye Engineering Spartan Moderator on a Tikka T3 .243 to give you guys another idea of size etc

Very impressed with the build quality of the Mod and received outstanding service from Craig at Evo too.

I've not had the chance to put any rounds through it yet, was supposed to be doing that tomorrow but I got a fortunate invite for a day at the hinds which has obviously taken priority :-D

I've had a good look at loads of alternative moderators but glad i chose this. Price wasn't my main governing factor but they really are excellent value at £210

http://i880.photobucket.com/albums/ac3/rigboot/IMGP4209.jpg



http://i880.photobucket.com/albums/ac3/rigboot/IMGP4208.jpg

Looking forward to trying it out and see how it performs in the field.

Cheers

Rb

pigglet
25-11-2010, 21:59
Looking forward to trying it out and see how it performs in the field.

Cheers

Rb

I don't think you'll have any complaints;)

Hornady
27-11-2010, 12:47
i use a Jet Z CQB on my .223, i much prefer it to the ugly over barrel designs that ruin your barrels. 500g in weight and pretty small considering, like a tank though made from carbon steel

Ade 30-06
27-11-2010, 13:23
Bought my new Sako in 30-06 two days ago, gorgeous bit of kit. Sadly though I thought it had the same thread as my T3 to use the same Mod, it doesn't !!! So in the market for a new Moddy myself now, going for a Roedale with the first two baffles in stainless. It weighs half / third of what others do and realistically a couple of Db makes absolutely no difference in the field should it be noisier than one or two percieved quieter ones.
A mate has one on his .243 and it handles like a dream, my .243 has a stainless Northstar and is like a pig compared to his. My .243 is now going to be more or less exclusively for charlie, so it won't matter out of a vehicle on most outings. It is a good Mod though, just heavy compared to the Roedale, but then again, all others are !

ejg
27-11-2010, 15:14
Ade,
if you are stuck for a second rear threaded end for a Roedale delta mod, I mostly have
a few spares.

edi

8740
27-11-2010, 19:49
i have now changed to jet z's s/steel as the t8's i have had rusted through.

tartinjock
27-11-2010, 21:30
...... Sadly though I thought it had the same thread as my T3 to use the same Mod, it doesn't !!! .....

I believe Sako are M15x1 Tikka are M14x1 unless it's a heavy barrell and then it's M18x1

Not that that helps you any shape form or manner....

TJ

tika.308
27-11-2010, 22:04
i have a T8 on my tikka t3 lite, good job

204 Ruger
28-11-2010, 09:15
Ive got the Pez large(stainless) muzzel can, cant be stripped but its stainless so a squirt of WD40 after each use seems to do the job. It really does take the sound right down.

Wsm
28-11-2010, 10:03
I was present at the moderator test that Bruce Potts published in Shooting Times last year which covered all the main makes available at that time.The Pes came out either on top or very near on all the calibres tested.The downside is that to get the quietest you also have to have the largest baffle stack/expansion chamber such as Pes/Reflex.Having said that every mod seems to have a distinct report and the quietest on a counter doesn't always sound the same to our mark 1 ears
I'm struggling to think of a bad centrefire mod on the market at the moment and its up to the individual what they want be it strippable/light/muzzle mounted/reflex type

For the record I'm using the Third Eye Spartan which seem to tame large capacity cases well and the Atec CMM

Ade 30-06
28-11-2010, 12:43
Ade,
if you are stuck for a second rear threaded end for a Roedale delta mod, I mostly have
a few spares.

edi


Thanks for the offer, very impressed with your generosity mate . Thank you

Thoroughly nice Lads on here !

ATB

Ade

270Buck
24-12-2010, 16:33
Hi Guys,

Thanks for all your suggestions, in the end I went with.................................. Ase Utra Northstar. Paid £240 for it.

It has one hell of a difference, my groups are tighter already, sub 1" at 100 yards, so very happy.

First outing since I fitted the mod stalked a young fallow doe, this years offspring, spotted her from about 150 yards over the crest of a hill, all I could see was the tops of her ears at that point.

Left my sticks there as I know a shot of the bipod was highly likely, i then walked crouched down for about 80 yards, the crest of the hill kept me completely hidden, the wind was good. As I approached the crest of the hill I dropped and crawled the final 30 yards, the doe was feeding there completely unaware that I was poised. She was no more than 40 yards away, the hill was keeping her body hidden only her neck and head were visable. At such close range I decided that the neck was the best option, so I squezzed off a .270 federal 130 grain, it hit home and the doe dropped on the spot. Lovely eating animal, as I type this I have got a beautiful stew going for the family.

The best part about the whole experience was, my ears were not ringing after the report. At the age of 28, don't really want to be going deaf anytime soon, fair play to the mod. The Ase Utra Northstar, worth every penny. As it is stainless it should last me a good few years if taken care of well.



3947
When I get my .243 in the very near future, I will definitely be fitting the Northstar to that!

All have a very Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year.

Cheers

Ross

purdeydog
25-12-2010, 13:47
R Atkinson

I've just got a northstar myself, not had a chance to check the zero yet. Did you find the zero had moved much on yours?

Cheers John

old keeper
25-12-2010, 18:59
Quicksilver titanium, light and very effective.

willie_gunn
26-12-2010, 07:53
in the end I went with.................................. Ase Utra Northstar. Paid £240 for it.

Ross

On Friday I zero'd my new Blaser .243 which had also come with a Northstar. As well as the excellent noise reduction I was also very pleased with the fact that it didn't unduly affect the balance of the rifle. I have a tin of stove paint and am going to blacken mine to make it less obvious ;) Hopefully between now and the New Year I'll get the chance to take it out for real.

willie_gunn

270Buck
29-12-2010, 23:06
R Atkinson

I've just got a northstar myself, not had a chance to check the zero yet. Did you find the zero had moved much on yours?

Cheers John

Hi John,

It did shift the vertical zero by 4". As you would imagine the horizontal did not change.

I have been told the extra weight on the barrel will naturally move the zero down.

Let me know how you get on and if it had a similar effect on your zero?

Cheers

Ross

270Buck
29-12-2010, 23:14
Double Post

270Buck
30-12-2010, 10:27
Ross

On Friday I zero'd my new Blaser .243 which had also come with a Northstar. As well as the excellent noise reduction I was also very pleased with the fact that it didn't unduly affect the balance of the rifle. I have a tin of stove paint and am going to blacken mine to make it less obvious ;) Hopefully between now and the New Year I'll get the chance to take it out for real.

willie_gunn

Hi Willie,

I agree, the balance of my tikka t3 lite has also been largely unaffected.

I hope you manage to christen your mod sometime soon.

A guy at my local gunsmiths got a saddler to make a leather cover for his. None of the neoprene mod covers fit as is a smaller diameter than the industry standard T8. I am going to get my mrs to make one out of an old wetsuit that has holes in it from a shark attack off the coast of Oxford! :lol:

Will hope the meet goes ahead in the NY and you can make it as planned.

Cheers

Ross

RWC2010
30-12-2010, 19:12
Good choice r.atkinson !!

In the end I went with the Northstar Mod after hearing both the Thirdeye Spartan and Northstar on the end of a .243 rifle being fired.

The Northstar was 50% quieter than the Spartan:eek:

pierred
30-12-2010, 21:37
Dm80 Mk3 they are made caliber specific and I believe them to be the quietest mod I have used, a close second would be the Pes scout

Offroad Gary
11-06-2011, 21:12
Anyone used an sl5 yet?