shooting geese canadian
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roedeerred
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Depends on what is on your certificate .but it is legal to shoot canada geese under general license.I would be very careful as if your ticket just says foxes and does not include pests you could be on a sticky wicket especially if a birdie sees you.
Technically no. Not unless its on your ticket and you have tried all other means of removing them from the area. Its quite clear in the general licence. Do a search on this site, its been covered before. ATB Steve
Again not quiet true,
, the wording in the english general licence this year has changed slightly, now the land owner need only be satisfied that all other scare tactics will not work, something along those lines. It used to be scare tactics employed first. ali
Actual wording
These conditions include the requirement that the user must be satisfied that legal (including non-lethal) methods of resolving the problem are ineffective or impracticable.
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Splitting hairs here, but central science laboratory has decreed .223 to be the requisite arm for Canada's under the licensing mentioned above.
The Croc
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If you need to get the Geese of a field, just walk into the field with a shotgun and fire a couple of shots over their heads.
They will go, just repeat as required.
Unfortunately there are people out there (another forum) who shoot Canadas out of season, just because they want to shoot Geese, and the GL is the only excuse they need.
In my area, the numbers have dropped over the last few years because of this.
We used to have around 2500, last season we were down to around 500, this is because they were put on the GL, and were considered "fair game" by some.
Brian
(With his Wildfowlers hat on)
They will go, just repeat as required.
Unfortunately there are people out there (another forum) who shoot Canadas out of season, just because they want to shoot Geese, and the GL is the only excuse they need.
In my area, the numbers have dropped over the last few years because of this.
We used to have around 2500, last season we were down to around 500, this is because they were put on the GL, and were considered "fair game" by some.
Brian
(With his Wildfowlers hat on)
Hornet
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Hi myself and a mate were asked to shoot some canadas recently,so to be absolutely certain we spoke to basc, yes if you have vermin on your ticket you can use a rifle so i used the .22 hornet as i have vermin on my ticket with the hornet but not the .243 just deer and fox,however be warned if you use a shotgun you MUST use none toxic shot,get cought with lead goodbye ticket, but its ok to use lead bullets hope this helps, HORNET
Harry mac
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Just goes to show the general licenses can work then. After all, they are a mechanism to reduce the numbers of what has become a nuisance species.
The Croc
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Harry
There are a lot of birds that cause problems, Brent, Cormorants, to name two, if there is a problem, you apply for a licence which is normally granted and your given a total number of birds you are allowed to take. You can only shoot X number of birds on the piece of ground where the problem is.
Canadas were not given that status, which we think they should have.
We don't disagree that they can be a problem in certain areas, as above Special Licence, job done.
Not the free for all we have now, with people deciding, I've got nothing to shoot this weekend, "I know lets go and shoot some Canadas out of season"
We are actively trying to get them on Special Licence and of the GL
Oh and they weren't causing that much of a problem down here
Brian
There are a lot of birds that cause problems, Brent, Cormorants, to name two, if there is a problem, you apply for a licence which is normally granted and your given a total number of birds you are allowed to take. You can only shoot X number of birds on the piece of ground where the problem is.
Canadas were not given that status, which we think they should have.
We don't disagree that they can be a problem in certain areas, as above Special Licence, job done.
Not the free for all we have now, with people deciding, I've got nothing to shoot this weekend, "I know lets go and shoot some Canadas out of season"
We are actively trying to get them on Special Licence and of the GL
Oh and they weren't causing that much of a problem down here
Brian
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FlyBoy270
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Hornet you incorrect,
Unless you have the condition to 'shoot birds' with your rifle you are in breach of the terms of your certificate, Canada Geese are NOT VERMIN they are Wildfowl and as such come under the protection of the Wildlife and Countryside act, hence the requirement to use non-toxic shot with a shotgun. I have been shooting Canadas out of season for 6 years, yes before they were on the Open General License, first 2 years with a MAFF Permit to Kill as an aid to scaring ?? Then under the OGL, I was only allowed to shoot them with .22RF and 17HMR, but a year later I got the condition for .223 Rem after quoting the 'Ruddy Duck cull'. I might tell you that I was the first person in Merseyside to be issued with such a condition for Geese, although I am certain keepers have been popping them off for years with their trusty .22 CZ's, just would not want you to land yourself in hot water due to an oversight.
FlyBoy270
Unless you have the condition to 'shoot birds' with your rifle you are in breach of the terms of your certificate, Canada Geese are NOT VERMIN they are Wildfowl and as such come under the protection of the Wildlife and Countryside act, hence the requirement to use non-toxic shot with a shotgun. I have been shooting Canadas out of season for 6 years, yes before they were on the Open General License, first 2 years with a MAFF Permit to Kill as an aid to scaring ?? Then under the OGL, I was only allowed to shoot them with .22RF and 17HMR, but a year later I got the condition for .223 Rem after quoting the 'Ruddy Duck cull'. I might tell you that I was the first person in Merseyside to be issued with such a condition for Geese, although I am certain keepers have been popping them off for years with their trusty .22 CZ's, just would not want you to land yourself in hot water due to an oversight.
FlyBoy270
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Date: 10 June 2010
Mr
Dear Mr
Re: Lead shot regulations
Further to our earlier phone call I have attached a link to The Environmental Protection
(Restriction on Use of Lead Shot) (England) (Amendment) Regulations 2003:
http://www.opsi.gov.uk/si/si2003/20032512.htm
This regulation specifically refers to “the use of lead shot for shooting with a shot gun”. The
definition of a shotgun is given in the original 1999 regulations as “a smooth-bore gun but
does not include any shot gun chambered for 9 millimetre or smaller rim-fire cartridges”. You
are therefore within the regulations to use lead rifle bullets of any calibre for shooting geese
over any terrain, provided you do so within the conditions of the relevant general licenses and
your firearms certificate allows for the use of rifles to control pests, or geese, or has no
specific variations prohibiting its use for such activities.
I hope this answers your question satisfactorily. If you require any further assistance please do
not hesitate to get in touch.
Regards
Matthew Ellis (Dr)
Research Officer
The British Association for Shooting and Conservation
Marford Mill
Rossett
Wrexham LL12 0HL
Telephone: 01244 573000
Fax: 01244 573013
Membership Recruitment Hotline: 01244 573030
www.basc.org.uk
Mr
Dear Mr
Re: Lead shot regulations
Further to our earlier phone call I have attached a link to The Environmental Protection
(Restriction on Use of Lead Shot) (England) (Amendment) Regulations 2003:
http://www.opsi.gov.uk/si/si2003/20032512.htm
This regulation specifically refers to “the use of lead shot for shooting with a shot gun”. The
definition of a shotgun is given in the original 1999 regulations as “a smooth-bore gun but
does not include any shot gun chambered for 9 millimetre or smaller rim-fire cartridges”. You
are therefore within the regulations to use lead rifle bullets of any calibre for shooting geese
over any terrain, provided you do so within the conditions of the relevant general licenses and
your firearms certificate allows for the use of rifles to control pests, or geese, or has no
specific variations prohibiting its use for such activities.
I hope this answers your question satisfactorily. If you require any further assistance please do
not hesitate to get in touch.
Regards
Matthew Ellis (Dr)
Research Officer
The British Association for Shooting and Conservation
Marford Mill
Rossett
Wrexham LL12 0HL
Telephone: 01244 573000
Fax: 01244 573013
Membership Recruitment Hotline: 01244 573030
www.basc.org.uk
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