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Daz308
28-11-2012, 02:05
Hi guys

Sorry if this has already been mentioned but has any one got one of these units?
If so are they any good as a spotter? what sort of range do they get out too?

regards,

Daz.

Si
28-11-2012, 09:33
They are ok if you plug them into an external monitor... the optics are good but the internal lcd display is rubbish.
I use a 7" portable tv screen from maplins mounted on the dash of my truck and monocular mounted on a tripod fixed to the door mirror.

Also for longer distances over 50yds or so you will need a better IR illuminator (or an IR filter on your lamp) but it takes practice getting the IR beam and the monocular pointing in the same place. I'm working on a dual mounting system.

bewsher500
28-11-2012, 09:45
I have 2!

i for a spotter 5x50 and one I am about to use as an add-on

So long as you are not hung up on Gen 3 green vision they work perfectly well
I use them for spotting foxes and rabbits with the onboard IR
Rabbits even those looking away show up as black shapes on the grass, as soon as they turn around within 100-150m the eyes light up
Foxes similarly but the eyes shine further away

on a clear bright night you can easily see 300m or more (never really measured it but further than I would shoot)

for 99 quid you cant ask for more

negatives: focus can be fiddly with both occular and objective adjustment, once set, wrap some electrical tape to fix in place
take some spare batteries! I use mine for maybe 1-2hrs at a time, often continously using 1200mAh NiCads and it will just about eat a set on each trip.
without the onboard IR it is useless

al4x1
28-11-2012, 10:21
Sometimes I wonder why people bother spending 2K on night vision when a 99 unit lets you shoot to 300 yards, unless thats 300 very short yards......

baconbuttie
28-11-2012, 12:09
I've got one that I use as a spotter and will echo bewsher500's comments. Onboard screen is rubbish, but if you're on foot you'll have to live with it. I use a bike handlebar camera mount on mine to add either an IR torch or laser.

Distance-wise, I've seen rabbit eyeshine at the foot of a gate in the distance (lots of moonlight to help too), and then next day gone back to measure the distance at just under 400 yards. I couldn't confirm the quarry at that distance, and wouldn't have taken the shot, but it was a rabbit.

bewsher500
28-11-2012, 12:41
Sometimes I wonder why people bother spending 2K on night vision when a 99 unit lets you shoot to 300 yards, unless thats 300 very short yards......


Usually because they have 2k of disposable cash to buy new toys with! if I did I probably would as well!

A bresser wont let you "shoot 300yds", but it will certainly let you see what you want to shoot at 300yds and walk closer to it in total darkness without having to light up the field to find it.

will see if I can get some photos

Si
28-11-2012, 13:25
A bresser wont let you "shoot 300yds", but it will certainly let you see what you want to shoot at 300yds and walk closer to it in total darkness without having to light up the field to find it.


I just can't get on with mine as a hand held unit... if I look through it with my scope eye for more than about 5secs I can't see bugger all when I take my eye away.

Used with an external monitor it's like daylight in black and white.

bewsher500
28-11-2012, 13:37
I just can't get on with mine as a hand held unit... if I look through it with my scope eye for more than about 5secs I can't see bugger all when I take my eye away.

Used with an external monitor it's like daylight in black and white.


snow blindness.
Quite common and I found the same until I turned the brightness right down and alternated eyes for spotting.
I have a strip of felt stuck to the dial, one half turn and the felt lines up with the line of sight, I know that is where I need to have the brightness
I also find it makes a lot of difference if you keep both eyes open when using it

what monitor do you use?

Si
28-11-2012, 14:38
what monitor do you use?

this one... 7-Inch Digital TV with USB : Flat Panel TVs : Maplin Electronics
(http://www.maplin.co.uk/7-inch-digital-tv-with-usb-280957)

Daz308
28-11-2012, 15:21
Thanks very much to all that has replied, looks like I will pick one up in the morning.

Regards,

Daz.

Dekit
28-11-2012, 16:08
Well i have had my Bresser 1.2/50 for about 5 yrs now ( bought from Lidl ) and have no complaints, on a clear night i can see up to 300yds no probs and identifi whats out there.

regards

Steve........

apollo
28-11-2012, 17:20
we use one as a spotter and then shoot with a n550, we got one of these to plug them into and you cam record what your doing as well...
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6pointer
28-11-2012, 17:23
Seen it used just the other day good bit of kit or you could just eat your carrots lol

leej
28-11-2012, 19:24
Havn't seen one of these units yet, but going to check them out in the morning for sure. What illuminator do you guys use and how much do they cost please?
Many thanks.
ATB
Lee

bewsher500
29-11-2012, 08:59
i use the onboard illuminator on the spotter
and I take delivery of an N800 laser for the add on today

bewsher500
29-11-2012, 17:29
all gone in my local Lidl

I have just bought the last one if anyone on here wants it.
will keep it as a spare if not

1066
30-11-2012, 08:42
I bought one about a year ago - Here's some video I shot with it recorded into an old sony Handicam via the AV takeoff. I wasn't full dark but very low light.

It's mounted on my old .22 rifle



https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=1K_T3_T_MTk

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v639/allan1066/nv2-1.jpg

AllThingsShooting
30-11-2012, 09:40
Great looking roe and good footage thanks for sharing

blunderbust
30-11-2012, 23:07
Went into Lidl today and bought one, also got a camera tripod for 14.99 which I intend on using to mount my chrono when I get it. Other than in the back garden I have not used the NV kit in the field, but I am sure that once the power level is set for the ambiant light conditions and the focus is sorted I am sure that it will do just what it is intended for, as a spotter to get you on to a possible target without using the lamp.

204 Ruger
30-11-2012, 23:52
Sometimes I wonder why people bother spending 2K on night vision when a 99 unit lets you shoot to 300 yards, unless thats 300 very short yards......

You need to see the Bresser next to a Gen 3 2k model...Then you will see why....Seriously I have played about with all kinds of different GEN1 and digital units and had a lot of fun with them and used them successfully (not out to 300 yards I hasten to add!!!) but once you have looked through a real one.....You can never go back..

camo304
01-12-2012, 00:15
You need to see the Bresser next to a Gen 3 2k model...Then you will see why....Seriously I have played about with all kinds of different GEN1 and digital units and had a lot of fun with them and used them successfully (not out to 300 yards I hasten to add!!!) but once you have looked through a real one.....You can never go back..

So very true i went back to Gen1 some years ago, lasted about ten mins before i needed Gen3 again. Digi and tubed nv are worlds apart.

bewsher500
01-12-2012, 13:16
people with 2k to spend on disposable items don't tend to shop at Lidl!

thats like comparing a nissan with a ferrari and saying "oh , you will never go back"

you have to get there in the first place!
and a 99 Lidl NV is a better place to start than some of the sub Gen1 image intensifiers on the market

clived
01-12-2012, 17:23
blunderbust -- wasn,t attleborough lidl by any chance ! went in today and the,ve ran out :cry:

neil_r
01-12-2012, 18:42
Bought one late wednesday evening, the guy in the store said they were due out Thursday but did me a favour, went home read the book, went out and within 10 mins of calling spotted a charlie at about 150m, squeaked him off the skyline and up to heaven he went.

TIP. Use your non shooting eye for the scope.

204 Ruger
01-12-2012, 19:17
TIP. Use your non shooting eye for the scope.

Good tip.....Digi is very bright and you do get eye birn for a few mins after using it.

204 Ruger
01-12-2012, 19:19
people with 2k to spend on disposable items don't tend to shop at Lidl!

thats like comparing a nissan with a ferrari and saying "oh , you will never go back"

you have to get there in the first place!
and a 99 Lidl NV is a better place to start than some of the sub Gen1 image intensifiers on the market


Its a fair comment........Im almost tempted to go and get one to see how good they are for 99 Sounds like a lot of people happy with them. Then I can sell my Gen 3 gear and put the cash towards my Ferrari LOL...

blunderbust
01-12-2012, 22:26
blunderbust -- wasn,t attleborough lidl by any chance ! went in today and the,ve ran out :cry:

No mate it was the Norwich branch, they have them in the store room and you need to ask.

bambislayer
03-12-2012, 11:37
Went into the Inverness store yesterday, One box left :) BUT some git had whipped the sight out of it:)

bewsher500
03-12-2012, 18:14
i was out last night.
only saw one fox but he is no longer around to corroborate the view through the Bresser

granted the first place I was at is an urban golf course and quite bright but despite the fact that the course is in darkness to the naked eye I could clearly see the tee box on the opposite side of the course at around 700yds
The onboard IT stops working and giving eye shine on rabbits out past 200yds but will still get a reflection off a fox

I have an N800 laser which I only just got.
It is bright but actually a little too bright for me. I like seeing the natural image which is almost light a bright moonlights.
the reflections and shadows cast by the laser were most off putting especially as vertical surfaces come back much brighter than horizontal ones.

the on board is low enough to light up surrounding areas and even in pitch black will through enough to see for several hundred yards


trick is not to turn it up past a a 180 turn of the knob otherwise snow blindness sets in

baconbuttie
03-12-2012, 18:27
trick is not to turn it up past a a 180 turn of the knob otherwise snow blindness sets in
Try taking the ocular rubber bit off and fitting a coloured filter ... makes a world of difference.

bewsher500
03-12-2012, 18:59
Try taking the ocular rubber bit off and fitting a coloured filter ... makes a world of difference.


oo interesting! what lens

I have gutted one and am about to "rehouse" it.

the front and rear "lenses" have little or nothing between them, purely packaging. what goes in the front comes out the occular purely via cable

I reckon i can package it down to be about 2.75-3" long.

I am using a Yukon 32mm x1 lens which is OK but not wide enough or low enough mag to really be of value as an add on

baconbuttie
03-12-2012, 19:10
Whatever colour you prefer, I get on well with green, YMMV.

Even with a 1x lens on, you're looking at 1.7x mag I believe.

NBF
10-12-2012, 22:49
Think I might rip mine apart & see what i can do...:scared:

bewsher500
11-12-2012, 09:59
its easy
unscrew both lenses
pop the main switch off with a flat blade

4 screws on the base in holes
4 screws round the ocular ring
the forward housing has a "ring" which is glued in place (runs round the forward edge and the on board IR.
you can crack the glue between ring and housing with a small penknife blade wedged in between.

the housing wont open all the way as the occular chip has two further screws holding it in place.
once those are out the lenses and board may still be spot glued to the housing but they pop off with minimal effort.

then it all just pops out.

in true Haynes Manual style: refit is reversal of removal!