I take all of the points made on board...the view was expressed by a very experienced roe deer manager and as I said, a few weeks would probably have made no difference,I am assured that the animal was the stand buck,plantation damage etc is a different issue,I manage what would be termed trophy fallow and sika and I leave them to rut in peace,the venison is rank anyway,,( in addition to roe elsewhere)..if the yearlings have been taken out the stand buck should be left in peace to rut and maybe shot later, the vacuum created by removing him may result in a better buck coming in... accepted,I am afraid that a return on the money invested on the lease is realising a good trophy return and I maintain that that can blur the edges in the management of deer,offset by the venison sale,as in all threads people,s views will vary and one piece of ground and it,s deer management will as well.