Yes there is a shift and BDS look like they are teaming up with BASC measuring im sure when I attended the BDS tent this year at the CLA they said I had just missed Dominic, but I have an interesting story between the 2 agencies and Here it goes I was not going to post this for a while but as this thread is here im gonna give you my opinion lol, I have a Munty head and I decided to have it measured by both purely to see how close measurements were, I decided to initially send it to BASC as the guys there initially were far more helpful and took interest in my call, it was then taken to a show at the beginning of the year and measured by 3/4 individuals all resulting in the same score it made a high bronze as we know it's very small margins with munties,and there is no issues with munties for head drying as its all done off the antlers, so I then decided to take it to the game fair and have it re measured there, I was aware of some animosity between the groups as individuals from CIC advised me I ciukdnt rely used BASC as they were not official scorers ?? That not true they work from exactly the same marking as CIC and to be fair some of the. Started with CIC and they measure in exactly the same way and by the same standards, so I advised the CIC staff when I took my head to them that I had it prev measured by BASC and I wanted to just have it done by the. For the sake of having it done, much to my amazement on my return they never scored it at all it didn't even make a bronze it made 0.4 off a bronze I found this really really strange and was a little concerned there wa something wrong with what's now going on, I took the head back to The BASC stand and they said they recognise it and it was nice to meet a few faces I had spoken to, i explains stud story to them and they re measured the head in front of me and sure enough twice it made a high bronze ?? I'm going to stick with my BASC bronze as I'm sure that's right ! On returning home I decided to re check the measurements according to the scoring sheet I was provided with and after checking each measurement they were out I checked each one dozens of times and they were wrong scoring it under a bronze ? Why you might ask well I'm still awaiting my response from the nice chap I spoke to at CIC but I know one thing for a head to be measured so many times and make a medal and for CIC to measure it and I can't even seem to get there measurements if I tried then there is clearly something wrong ? I'll update once I get my response but ask the Q why would you under score a head and I would have to really stretch a fabric measuring tape with all my strength to get any where near the measurement they got INFACT i can't I have tried i think it's all a bit crap to be honest and there is clearly issues between the 2 camps, - might I add I'm not against either organisation and I think they both have the ability to score affectivy but clearly there is some discrepancies and issues and CIC are currently looking into this, slightly off the initial topic however I think it's interesting to know there is definately issues and differences between the 2 agencies and BDS will get together with whoever they please.