Immigrants/Refugees

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Guys, you know that if you stop taking the pills, the treatment won't work, right?
That's right: you need to stop absorbing the government dope until you have enough alternate education to recognize propaganda for what it is, and only listen to it in order to monitor their agenda against you.
 
When you read the quotes the leaders of Iran, Hamas, Al Quaeda, and Muslim Brotherhood, it does sound like conspiracy ... reality.

For example, read the speech of
Iman Sheikh Muhammad Ayed last week, in Jerusalem, where he has free speech which he would not allow you.

The fact is, that even if there were no ill intent or no conspiracies, Europe and the USA cannot absorb more than a meaningless drop in the bucket of the world's poor, and it does nothing to solve the underlying problems. Membership in the EU requires controlling borders with non-EU countries. The thoughtless invitations from Sweden and Germany and the stampede which followed has exposed the short range of vision of today's heads of state.
 
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I work with all races / breeds,

kurds, Asian, Polish , English , Scottish etc etc,,
the kurds /afghans / Syrians are a horrible breed , they only want to take take take, they don't want to integrate ,

I am not a racist, this is mine and also the polish , Indian and Pakistani view on them, I don't care what colour, race or religion you are, we all are human

But off my experience over the last years ,90% of these immigrants are a horrible ,horrible race they rape , steal and live like they are in the dark ages

they are are in our country and don't want to abide by our laws and customs, and have the sod England attitude

STOP IMIGRATION NOW,

atb

kjf

Bloody outrageous remarks to be seen and heard on this forum and quite despicable, makes me not want to be part of this 'community'.

Some people need to get a clue as to what is happening to our fellow humans in this world and get over their sense of nationalism and realise the world is and has been changing and immigration is part of the real world now. Rant over, but I have to say, I thought better of a lot of the members of this forum before reading a lot of the replies to this thread....
 
Bloody outrageous remarks to be seen and heard on this forum and quite despicable, makes me not want to be part of this 'community'.

Some people need to get a clue as to what is happening to our fellow humans in this world and get over their sense of nationalism and realise the world is and has been changing and immigration is part of the real world now. Rant over, but I have to say, I thought better of a lot of the members of this forum before reading a lot of the replies to this thread....

i agree immigration is a big part of the real world, the real world also says abide by the laws of the land you are in, does it not????

that is your opinion mate , as I have voiced mine in my post,

i aint writing war and piece on the subject,

these peoples actions are what I have personally witnessed over the years. I know there is good and bad in every human being, but until I see otherwise, I stand by my observations,

their attitude needs to change, and people need to integrate into the country that has welcomed them in,

as I would if I needed asylum/emigrated to ANY other country in the world,

atb

kjf
 
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Legally, French armed civilian resistance, after their Government had surrendered in June 1940 was terrorism. Under the very specific rules of warfare and its legal issues the Germans were correct.


That's why I said: "This action [by SNCF workers + SOE] was literally 'criminal' and subjectively 'terroristic' to German High Command and forces."

The Germans were perfectly within their rights to execute French workers who indulged in sabotage that assisted the Allied war effort. Whether summary excecution is legal is maybe another matter. Without doubt though taking 10 or in some cases 100 of the local population off the street at random and executing them as a reprisal for each German soldier killed by partisans was definitely illegal, not to mention the 690 or so men, women and children who were unlucky enough to be in Oradour Sur Glane that June day. Taking what the resistance was doing as 'asymmetric warfare' though, even that aided the Allies - the Waffen SS being stupid enough to waste half a day murdering civilians added half a day's extra delay to their arrival in Normandy.

Pine Marten is correct when he says terrorism is about 'semantics' that being literally the interpretation of the meaning of words. 'Terrorism' is one of these emotional catch-all words that in media and common useage covers a spectrum of activities from a focussed form of criminality such as the ALF and Huntingdon Laboratories through to Dr Goebbels branding all RAF bomber crews as 'Terrorflieger'. The 7/7 bombers and before that the Provisional IRA campaigns in both Ulster and the UK mainland were often so described, but in the eyes of those carrying out these activities, they were fighting a war, they were and some still see themselves now as soldiers. If they weren't, why did we retain five or six army battalions on top of NATO and other requirements thanks to the IRA? (I once said I hoped the early Ulster peace process would be sucessful to an Army WO and a veteran of three Irish tours that I occasionally shot with - he was appalled and said he hoped 'the troubles' would continue indefintely and put me firmly in my place.)

Whether we like it or not, whether we call it other things, we are now engaged in asymmetric warfare against a tiny minority of our own citizens. I worked in London throughout the mainland IRA campaign commuting daily by rail, and was close enough to the Hyde Park bandstand bomb to feel a tiny part of the pressure wave as well hear it. Everybody who travelled in and out of London and used the tube knew that we were involved in a conflict - the use of heavy curtains kept drawn over many railway building windows to stop glass fragments in the event of an explosion reminded you on a daily basis, not to mention the number of times I walked from Paddington to Kings Cross with the tube shut down for security scares, mostly hoax or carelessly left but innocent packages.

Publicly calling countering domestic Islamic insurgency a war and trying to use non specialist soldiers as we did in Ulster are probably unwise as it is a 'war' of intelligence and security service / police work and arrest. Still, the recent major London security exercise involving special forces amongst others shows that a Mumbai style attack on London by determined men armed with rifles and grenades who know they will sacrifice their lives is taken very seriously, and needs an at least partly military response.

The number of active IRA 'soldiers' was always small, the numbers of supporters was larger but still modest, so one doesn't need huge numbers of lethal fanatics to cause great damage and disruption. We have a small percentage of the Muslim population who support the dangerous fanatics, and any country which takes on board a large increase in so-called Syrian refugees which includes an increasing number of Balkan people and those from a whole range of dysfunctional North African states as well as other non Syrian middle eastern countries, such as the 800,000 Frau Merkel says she'll take this year and the up to 500,000 pa for the next few years, will get a percentage of those who want to change their adopted countries and societies radically, and if the natives don't agree, do so by force. It doesn't matter whether the would be armed Jihadis are 1% of the influx (seems far too high or 0.0001%) when you're talking literally millions you're going to get a few hundred very dangerous people indeed and a good few thousand supporters giving safe houses, funds, carrying and hiding weapons.

And we will get them. It doesn't matter how many people on this and other forums argue either way about accepting or rejecting these people, we are going to see unprecedented people movements into Europe, unless the Hungarian razor wire fence and 'non lethal force' by police and military is replaced by 'Fortress Europe' and armed guards who will use lethal force, a new version of the old Berlin wall and East / West German border in GDR days, with its hundreds of miles of wire, minefields, cleared areas, watchtowers, and automatic tripwire activated machineguns. And it doesn't matter a damn if we stay out of Schengen as once Frau Merkel gives them German passports, a fair number will quite legally come here, most with good intentions, a tiny minority with very bad ones.

People say Europe coped with the huge DP flows in 1945. Apart from the fact that WW2 killed over 30 million people across Europe creating rather a lot of 'space', there were VERY much smaller indigenous populations in each country before the catastrophe occurred. Germany had a 19139 population of 69.3m compared to 82.6m now; the UK was 47.7m; a shade under 60m today. Moreover, the vast majority nof DPs didn't want to settle anywhere new, they wanted to and mostly succeeded in getting back to their prewar countries. And in fact many who didn't want to return had no choise seeing as how our armed forces amongst others were used to repatriate thousands of Soviet citizens to the USSR literally at bayonet point at the railheads, many of whom faced the gulags at best, torture and execution at worst.
 
So in summary Laurie, what you are saying is when the conflict is over send them back? Pretty much what Australia has been doing and although some who were given temporary protection visas as we used to call them, if the government deemed it safe they got sent back.

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Terrorism, as defined by those who employ it the most and refined it, the communists of the 20th century, is the creating of mass fear among the general population through random, brutal killings of innocent people ( just one of their tactics). The word is misused to smear political opponents, and for other reasons, but it is a tactic of warfare.

Many of those who want to see a worldwide Islamic State employ terrorism, and their religious leaders condone and justify it. They say they are at war with us, and they are, no matter the denials of some The West.

Under the rules of warfare, as noted above, combatants ( which include terrorists and assassins), saboteurs, and guerrilla fighters, are criminals, and no due the treatment of captured soldiers in uniform.

There was a poll done in November 2014 of 900 refugees in the countries surrounding Syria. Four percent of those Syrian refugees said in those interviews that they had positive feelings toward ISIS. Another nine percent said they are somewhat positive. According to the poll, you're looking at about 13 percent, at least, of Syrian refugees that have sympathies toward ISIS."

ISIS says they will put 4,000 terrorists into Europe among the "refugees".

Over 2,700 Muslims have been arrested in the USA at the Canadian or Mexican border between 2001 and 2009. Four members of ISIS were arrested after being flown into Mexico last week. Ten were arrested the week before.

Iran, Pakistan, Lebanon, Jordan, Indonesia and Egypt were not Muslim countries. They were conquered by Muslims over decades of warfare, invasion, and infiltration. You don't have to use your imagination. You can read history, and listen to their bold threats.
 
Are they here yet? :scared: I haven't dared go out the house since the last few threads about this - I might risk a peep through the curtains later on.....
 
Decades ago there was a TV program, Panorama probably, where a woman in a far off country was asked why she wanted to come to Britain. "Because you have Welfare State". She answered.
 
Do you all honestly believe what you see on TV or read in the newspapers?

If you do, go home and prepare for armageddon like a proportion of American society has for the last 70 years.....

I might be wrong though and your fears may be realised - Karma is a bitch, after all....
 
Are they here yet? :scared: I haven't dared go out the house since the last few threads about this - I might risk a peep through the curtains later on.....

I think I’ve just about managed to refrain from being drawn into this debate and mainly because I do not have an answer to the utter tangle the world has got its self into.
One thing I haven’t seen mentioned, albeit I’ve not waded through the last 20 pages to get here, is what on earth is our contingency/strategy should there be an outbreak of a notifiable disease amongst these poor souls such as H5N1/H7N9 or something even more deadly?

K
 
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I think I’ve just about managed to refrain from being drawn into this debate and mainly because I do not have an answer to the utter tangle the world has got its self into.
One thing I haven’t seen mentioned, albeit I’ve not waded through the last 20 pages to get here, is what on earth is our contingency/strategy should there be an outbreak of a notifiable disease amongst these poor souls such as H5N1/H7N9 or something even more deadly?

K

I tried my best too - my two posts were almost involuntary.... If there is bird flu, there's a guy on here that might want to shift his 11 shot semi auto - it's been gathering dust behind the front door.......:norty:
 
I think gentlemen that this thread has run its course. We seem to be getting racist remarks coming into the thread which does not reflect well on the site. Therefore thread closed
 
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