demographics and other facts

Maybe not?

"Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed to me,
I lift my lamp beside the golden door!"
 
United Nations demographics of the "Syrian" refugees.
Last week, this map showed it 72% men; this week it is revised to 62% men.
Less than half are from Syria, which alone has 11,000,000 refugees now.
There are 6,500,000 more in Jordan and some nearby countries.

Refugees/Migrants Emergency Response - Mediterranean - Regional Overview

Dont you mean more than half? Unless I'm reading the figures wrong they say 52%?
add to this 6% from the same conflict in Iraq.

arguably one can also add 19% from the related conflict in Afghanistan?
 
Week to week, 62% to 77% men.
Does seem odd so few women and children, so many men leaving them, not staying to fight for their country.

The USA, every year, takes more legal immigrants than all of the UK, Europe, Canada, etc, combined - too many.
Plus we have a huge problem of about 40,000,000 illegal aliens mooching $49 billion in welfare and other free services, 800,000 of them in prison, 1,100,000 sought on arrest warrants.

The "tired, hungry, and poor" came long ago, to work. They were held in isolation, checked out for disease and who they actually were - not the reckless stampede of today.

Immigration policy is supposed to be for the benefit of the country, not the immigrants to the detriment of the country and its citizens.
 
Week to week, 62% to 77% men.
Does seem odd so few women and children, so many men leaving them, not staying to fight for their country.

Is it possible the demographic is swinging more towards men over the course of time because the initial movement was predominantly women and children? That's a serious question and I don't know the answer but when you posted this last night I had a quick look for sources and as it happened I found an earlier UNHCR publication (from 2013, I think) that quoted the reverse of the current figures.

If a ship is sinking and you follow the 'women and children first' approach then you can be sure the last few lifeboats in the water will be full of blokes.

I don't doubt there's a real risk that the current huge movement of refugees is a point of weakness that could be exploited by muslim extremists, but I can't buy the suggestion that their numbers are so great that they are measureable among such a large population of refugees, or are the real reason for the movement in the first place which I think is what you're implying.
 
Week to week, 62% to 77% men.
Does seem odd so few women and children, so many men leaving them, not staying to fight for their country.

the figures do not state the age of these men. It is likely that a proportion of these immigrants are either too old or too young to fight. Also if they were to stay and fight, who would you recommend they join up with?
 
I went back to that UNHCR website, and to other official sites, and found that the reason the numbers were changing is that they were accumulating more people, so the numbers are settling down.
According to the United Nations High Commission on Refugees (UNHCR), the statistical breakdown of the
refugees leaving their homes are pretty much split 50-50 between men and women.
However, of those who have travelled by sea through the Mediterranean, 69% are male adults, 18% are
children and 13% are female adults.

While the majority of those seeking asylum in Europe might be adult males, the statistics from the
UNHCR show that of the total refugees coming out of the Syrian conflict, the split is pretty even, and
around 38% of them are children under 12.

(This is coming out of their native countries - but over 2/3 men coming into Europe.)

48.6% of the refugees coming into Europe are male, age 18-24 years.
12.0% are older men.
 
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Having spent just under a month this summer in Lesvos Island, bringing people ashore, I can tell you that the demographics quoted here are as real as dubya's and blair's claims of WMD in Iraq. Do not fall into the trap the likes of murdoch set. Yes, there is a problem with radical butchers who kill indiscriminately, and this is the reason so many people flee their country. Because there is nothing left. No homes, no schools, no roads, no running water, no electricity, no jobs, no food and the list goes on. People die daily either from bullets, or from explosions, losing their head literally, and we are prepared to sit comfortably and believe everything people we know are corrupt want us to believe.

I will say it again. The deranged, inhumane butchers of isis want you and me to believe that it is 'us VS them'. It makes it easier to recruit the next suicide bomber, the next 'jihadi John', the next easily fooled disenfranchised young muslim boy from East London or elsewhere. Bombing indiscriminately achieves exactly what these lunatics in Raqqa want: Disdain, despair and anger.

So, if not bombs, what is the answer? Education, jobs, communication, if you ask me. Obviously for a large number of people this is too late. They are way too radicalised/disenfranchised/angry to see reason. For them a more on hands approach is necessary. For the rest of the population though there is plenty of time. The least contact you have with something/someone different to you, the easier it is to demonise it, the easier it becomes to blame it for things others tell you they are responsible for, the easier it becomes to see them as 'fair game'.

I refuse to hate anyone, or at least I try. I used to be a very angry person, hating a number of people, countries, ideas etc. I realised this does not make me a very happy person, neither does it change anything for the better. Nowadays I am trying to understand, educate myself, and if possible, get as much information as I can before I make a judgement on someone.

If this guy can refrain from hate, so can I. And so can you.

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Having spent just under a month this summer in Lesvos Island, bringing people ashore, I can tell you that the demographics quoted here are as real as dubya's and blair's claims of WMD in Iraq. Do not fall into the trap the likes of murdoch set. Yes, there is a problem with radical butchers who kill indiscriminately, and this is the reason so many people flee their country. Because there is nothing left. No homes, no schools, no roads, no running water, no electricity, no jobs, no food and the list goes on. People die daily either from bullets, or from explosions, losing their head literally, and we are prepared to sit comfortably and believe everything people we know are corrupt want us to believe.

I will say it again. The deranged, inhumane butchers of isis want you and me to believe that it is 'us VS them'. It makes it easier to recruit the next suicide bomber, the next 'jihadi John', the next easily fooled disenfranchised young muslim boy from East London or elsewhere. Bombing indiscriminately achieves exactly what these lunatics in Raqqa want: Disdain, despair and anger.

So, if not bombs, what is the answer? Education, jobs, communication, if you ask me. Obviously for a large number of people this is too late. They are way too radicalised/disenfranchised/angry to see reason. For them a more on hands approach is necessary. For the rest of the population though there is plenty of time. The least contact you have with something/someone different to you, the easier it is to demonise it, the easier it becomes to blame it for things others tell you they are responsible for, the easier it becomes to see them as 'fair game'.

I refuse to hate anyone, or at least I try. I used to be a very angry person, hating a number of people, countries, ideas etc. I realised this does not make me a very happy person, neither does it change anything for the better. Nowadays I am trying to understand, educate myself, and if possible, get as much information as I can before I make a judgement on someone.

If this guy can refrain from hate, so can I. And so can you.

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Very well put. The IS gameplan relies on people taking a 'white hat - good, black hat - bad' view of the situation and I think a lot of people buy into that too easily as it plays on their fears or their prejudices.
 
Well based on past performance I'd wager this is a prelude to an attempt to stir us all up to wage Holy war on the Infidel Socialists or something. Happy to be proved wrong though.

The bad guy for the USA was the Communists now its the socialists. I wonder what will be their next, red under the bed? Every time I hear or read some ####wit in the USA start on about socialists I think i would not Swap The UK or Good old Socialist Sweden to go live in the USA. Any country that thinks leupold scopes are the height of optical exellence ain't worth living in.
 
I can tell you that the demographics quoted here are as real as dubya's and blair's claims of WMD in Iraq.

Since we removed 600,000 tons of Iraq WMD in the form of nerve gas, biological toxins, and large high explosives ( meant for containers and trucks, not airplanes ) and incinerated it all in the Pacific Ocean, the claim was real enough.

Plus, we got several nuclear weapons from Libya and dismantled those.

These statistics I posted came from the UN refugee organization, who are big bleeding hearts all for rampant immigration, so I doubt they skewed the data to make themselves look so bad. They had estimated in 2014 a few hundred thousand refugees for 2015, but their 5-year budget was consumed in a few months by 15 times their estimate.

Yes, I believe in free markets and individual liberty, small governments. All forms of socialism ( communism, fascism, Nazism, etc ) are socially regressive dictatorships which operate on force and deception, and consume wealth, because no governments cannot create wealth and these are big governments. Those are the people I see pushing the destruction of national cultures, creating wars and misery for the last 100 years, including this mess they created with the help of the even more wrongheaded Jihadists.

I think it is foolish to let in any immigrant who is not 100% identified, peaceful, and known to be intent on going back home at some point or in assimilating into his new home. No visitor or immigrant has a right to come into any country - they are guests, being done a favor.
 
So there were wmd in Iraq after all eh? Also, Fascism and Nazism are forms of socialism, are they? OK. And then you are wondering why the rest of the world has the opinion they do about 'Murika and its inhabitants...
 
Since we removed 600,000 tons of Iraq WMD in the form of nerve gas, biological toxins, and large high explosives ( meant for containers and trucks, not airplanes ) and incinerated it all in the Pacific Ocean, the claim was real enough.

Plus, we got several nuclear weapons from Libya and dismantled those.

These statistics I posted came from the UN refugee organization, who are big bleeding hearts all for rampant immigration, so I doubt they skewed the data to make themselves look so bad. They had estimated in 2014 a few hundred thousand refugees for 2015, but their 5-year budget was consumed in a few months by 15 times their estimate.

Yes, I believe in free markets and individual liberty, small governments. All forms of socialism ( communism, fascism, Nazism, etc ) are socially regressive dictatorships which operate on force and deception, and consume wealth, because no governments cannot create wealth and these are big governments. Those are the people I see pushing the destruction of national cultures, creating wars and misery for the last 100 years, including this mess they created with the help of the even more wrongheaded Jihadists.

I think it is foolish to let in any immigrant who is not 100% identified, peaceful, and known to be intent on going back home at some point or in assimilating into his new home. No visitor or immigrant has a right to come into any country - they are guests, being done a favor.

I disagree with most of that, but each to their ownI suppose.

What I will say is my sister married a Bangladeshi over forty years ago and yes he is a Muslim and a religious one
into the bargain, they have raised children and grandchildren here, some who have followed the Muslim faith and some who have not.

He came to this country as a young man and worked hard never claimed any benefits as some say they all do,eventually starting his own business and building his own little empire restaurants, Hotels, shops and taxi's
also helped set some of his family up in business in his homeland market traders and a rural bus service, not bad for a lad that arrived in this country with no education and no money.

Employed one of my brothers for a time, and took care of my parents financially in their old age, and was always ready to help any of the family in any way that he could when needed, my sister has never wanted for anything in her married life, another untruth is how badly they treat their women folk

Over the years I have got to know quite a number of his countrymen, and can say there are good and bad among them in fact no different from us.

There is no doubt IS is a serious threat, but from my own experience I refuse to believe that all Muslims should be treated as such, and take exception to some of the bile that is being preached at the present time.
 
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Yes, Psyxologos, your misunderstanding about history, WMD in Iraq, and socio-economic systems seems to be the root cause of your anger directed at the wrong people. The weevils who run educational brain laundries have done a good job of that. They are always going to have a "better socialism", run by better socialists than Lenin, Stalin, Mussolini, Hitler, Ho Chi Minh, Mao, Castro....

Winston Churchill got it right, both ways, when he said, "Mein Kampf is like the Qoran" - road maps of intent.
 
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