my favorite welly is toggi neoprene lined had them for a while now still like new!! in the snow i wear 2 pairs of socks 1 thin 1 thick i hate the cold!! any other time of the year there great. i bought my son a pair of Le-chameau,tried them on and i thought that they are the same as my old dry suit boot!! brambles or hard rock and they will be ripped to shreds!! Mrs steyr has muck boots for walking the dogs i must say they are neoprene but they are very well made,only fault she has is grip in the snow or on ice,but she got the ones with plimsolls tread!! silly moo! toggi £60, the-Camel £220, dirty mucky boot £50! money no object toggi... tip hole in neoprene use blackwitch to fill then sew fabric,to join (make t-8 reflex cover etc.) use bostik 2402,sew fabric. hope this helps,Graeme.