I'm not exactly sure when it started, perhaps after Iran took the US hostages in 1979, perhaps the 1st gulf war, perhaps at the creation of Israel, perhaps right after the Crusades. Another strange thing about it is that a lot of people in the West, or for that matter, the world, don't even realize it's going on. Make no mistake about it, the Third World War is in progress and we are all in it. There will be no end until the enemy is hurt so massively that they ask for peace. That peace will only be used to regroup and allow the West to forget, then it will start again. I think the answer lies with the enemy. Do what they would do to us but only 10 times worse. As you say, cheers.