A few years ago, I bought about 6 boxes of the stuff on close out. I tried them in my 30/06 with IRM 4350, and RL 19. I could not get better than a 1.5" group. Truth be told, that would work for my kind of hunting, but I prefer something that prints at least 1" or better at a 100. I gave them to a friend, however, I recently found 1/2 a box and am going to try them in the .308. Anybody know why they stopped making them? Perhaps I was not the only one that couldn't get a real good group with them.