Thank you bavarianbrit , I believe Steiner is a part of the Burris company, I am also led to believe that beretta have bought them out recently, just like they bought sako and tikka , a gunsmith has told me that they are now producing too many guns too quickly and their new semi automatic are giving awful trouble, he advised me if I'm buying a beretta shotgun to buy the older model , is it going to be the same with their scopes ?