Brexit the movie

Well on two scores it is a nonsense.

If Britain voted OUT yet chose to remain in the "trade" area (as the movie says) then, as a condition of that it must accept EU Free Movement Rights. So, yes, you'll still get Roumanians, Bulgarians and etc. coming here.

It shows a clip of war graves and speaks of people dying for independence. One can speculate that had there been an EU/European Union in 1914 and in 1939 that there would have been no WWI and no WWII. So its rot!
 
Well on two scores it is a nonsense.

If Britain voted OUT yet chose to remain in the "trade" area (as the movie says) then, as a condition of that it must accept EU Free Movement Rights. So, yes, you'll still get Roumanians, Bulgarians and etc. coming here.

It shows a clip of war graves and speaks of people dying for independence. One can speculate that had there been an EU/European Union in 1914 and in 1939 that there would have been no WWI and no WWII. So its rot!

What nonsense
 
Well TK you may think it's nonsense but these, from the not always accurate Wiki, are the facts. If you want to Brexit yet remain part of the EU/EEA Free Trade Area then you are obliged to accept Free Movement. If do ot want those obligations to remain then you would need to also exit the EU/EEA Free Trade Area.

While the EFTA is not a customs union, it does have a co-ordinated trade policy. As a result, its member states have jointly concluded free trade agreements with a number of other countries.

To participate in the EU's single market, Iceland, Liechtenstein and Norway are party to the Agreement on a European Economic Area (EEA), with compliance regulated by the EFTA Surveillance Authority and the EFTA Court. Switzerland instead has a set of bilateral agreements with the EU.

The European Economic Area (EEA) provides for the free movement of persons, goods, services and capital within the internal market of the European Union (EU) between its 28 member states, as well as three of the four member states of the European Free Trade Association (EFTA): Iceland, Liechtenstein and Norway. The Agreement is applied provisionally with respect to Croatia—the remaining and most recent EU member state—pending ratification of its accession by all EEA parties.

The EEA is based on the same "four freedoms" as the European Community: the free movement of goods, persons, services, and capital among the EEA countries.

Thus, the EEA countries that are not part of the EU enjoy free trade with the European Union. Also, 'the free movement of persons is one of the core rights guaranteed in the European Economic Area (EEA) ... it is perhaps the most important right for individuals, as it gives citizens of the 30 EEA countries the opportunity to live, work, establish business and study in any of these countries.'

As a counterpart, these countries have to adopt part of the Law of the European Union.

However they also contribute to and influence the formation of new EEA relevant policies and legislation at an early stage as part of a formal decision-shaping process.

Agriculture and fisheries are not covered by the EEA. Not being bound by the Common Fisheries Policy is perceived as very important by Norway and Iceland, and a major reason not to join the EU. The Common Fisheries Policy would mean giving away fishing quotas in their waters.

The EEA countries that are not part of the EU do not bear the financial burdens associated with EU membership, although they contribute financially to the European single market.

After the EU/EEA enlargement of 2004, there was a tenfold increase in the financial contribution of the EEA States, in particular Norway, to social and economic cohesion in the Internal Market (€1167 million over five years).

Non-EU countries do not receive any funding from EU policies and development funds.
 
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Well on two scores it is a nonsense.

If Britain voted OUT yet chose to remain in the "trade" area (as the movie says) then, as a condition of that it must accept EU Free Movement Rights. So, yes, you'll still get Roumanians, Bulgarians and etc. coming here.
Yeah, just like Canada...


It shows a clip of war graves and speaks of people dying for independence. One can speculate that had there been an EU/European Union in 1914 and in 1939 that there would have been no WWI and no WWII. So its rot!
So you're suggesting Hitler would never had invaded Poland because it was against EU rules?
Hitler was trying to create the EU, controlled from Berlin instead of Brussels. It took a war to keep our independence. All you have to do now for your independence is vote OUT.
 
There would have been no need for anyone to invade anywhere as under the EU if you need more room for your citizens they are free to move there and live there regardless of national boundaries. And, of course, industry is free to move to, to where it wishes to be or to buy plant and factories.

Whilst there can never be a "what if" of history it is unlikely that the conditions that brought Hitler to power would have existed in a post-WWI Europe that resembled today's EU. This independence is a nonsense....how independent were we of the dictatorships of Blair or of Thatcher?

As for the Canada thing? Have you read the text of the deal? You must have missed this then:

CETA will not affect food-related or environmental regulations in the EU. Canadian products can only be imported and sold in the EU if they fully respect the relevant European regulations - without any exemption.

Nor will CETA restrict either the EU or Canada from passing new laws in areas of public interest such as the environment, and health and safety.

CETA provides the basis for a future dialogue between the EU and Canada on policy developments. Both sides will share information about best practices.

This does not affect the scope of the EU for developing new laws in response to the needs and priorities of European citizens.
 
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Well on two scores it is a nonsense.

If Britain voted OUT yet chose to remain in the "trade" area (as the movie says) then, as a condition of that it must accept EU Free Movement Rights. So, yes, you'll still get Roumanians, Bulgarians and etc. coming here.

It shows a clip of war graves and speaks of people dying for independence. One can speculate that had there been an EU/European Union in 1914 and in 1939 that there would have been no WWI and no WWII. So its rot!


I think you have just said it,If there had been an EU in 1914 and 1939 then Hitler would have been our leader....
 
Well on two scores it is a nonsense.



It shows a clip of war graves and speaks of people dying for independence. One can speculate that had there been an EU/European Union in 1914 and in 1939 that there would have been no WWI and no WWII. So its rot!

Indeed this is one of the hazards of Brexit we are being led to believe. Frau Merkel's panzers might cross the Oder-Neisse line and reclaim Pomerania and Silesia if we leave. Poland and Belgium you know what's coming...if the remain campaign are to be believed that is.
 
Frau Merkel's panzers might cross the Oder-Neisse line and reclaim Pomerania and Silesia if we leave.

No need to. That's the point. Free movement of people, capital and goods.

No need to invade and conquer territory so that your country and your people can exploit it. It has rendered the two hundred year old rivalry between France and Germany over who controlled the Belgian's coal or Alsace-Lorraine irrelevant. No one reaches for their revolvers anymore to control a neighbouring nation's resources...just their cheque books.

The graves in the war cemeteries are of those who died to maintain a rivalry between France and Germany over national boundaries that were at the time...Alsace-Lorraine... artificial and are nowadays irrelevant.
 
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No need to. That's the point. Free movement of people, capital and goods.

No need to invade and conquer territory so that your country and your people can exploit it. It has rendered the two hundred year old rivalry between France and Germany over who controlled the Belgian's coal or Alsace-Lorraine irrelevant. No one reaches for their revolvers anymore to control a neighbouring nation's resources...just their cheque books.

The graves in the war cemeteries are of those who died to maintain a rivalry between France and Germany over national boundaries that were at the time...Alsace-Lorraine... artificial and are nowadays irrelevant.

But my point is that we are all being led to believe that should Britain alone leave the EU it will all disintegrate into chaos and war and there will be a general collapse of world financial markets similar to the crash of the 1920's etc. etc. The only claim that the "Remain" campaign doesn't seem to have made is that there will be a new Ice Age if we leave but I suppose that there is still a few weeks left for them to state that.

What the "Remain" campaign has totally failed to do is draw my attention to any significant benefit that I have gained as an individual, but as I think mentioned before the CAP discriminated against my pigs enterprise and indeed caused the local slaughterhouse to close by insisting that they had to have vets to inspect the animals as well as the meat inspector.
 
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No need to. That's the point. Free movement of people, capital and goods.

Free movement of people = lots of folk coming to one of the smallest countries in Europe.
Free movement of capital = London laundering large quantities of dodgy money into expensive housing and/or offshore to BVI, Caymans etc
Free movement of goods = a massive imbalance of trade with UK importing far more from Europe than we export.

All the above benefit the wealthy few. I can't see any long term benefit there for Joe Public? As for "reaching for revolvers..." we're ruled out of that game, as we're not allowed to have them anymore! :)
 
Well on two scores it is a nonsense.

It shows a clip of war graves and speaks of people dying for independence. One can speculate that had there been an EU/European Union in 1914 and in 1939 that there would have been no WWI and no WWII. So its rot!

Using your fuzzy logic one can speculate that no single country would ever face a civil war, but they have.
 
[h=1]"The most puzzling development in politics during the last decade is the apparent determination of Western European leaders to re-create the Soviet Union in Western Europe." - Mikhail Gorbachev[/h]
 
Ah...I may be arguing with a different logic from your logic!

But what I mean is that WWI and WWII were wars about resources, coal, in Europe and from a post-EU viewpoint was the sort of war that the ideals of free movement of capital, people, industry was meant to avoid. So a "civil war" was it were although the actors were nation states. For now there is no need for the Germans to fight the French over the Belgian's coal (or steel) as with free movement of capital that which Germany, or France, covets in Belgium they can obtain by commerce not by conflict.

However I have nevertheless voted out. Purely to rid us of our friends from Eastern Europe.
 
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