EMcC thanks. do you mean a certain law named person when you say Pete (L) ? i'm no mate of his. and getting out of hand seems a typical trait. Pete (C) is however as far as i'm concerned ok, he's never done wrong by me. Eitherway, I'm here under my own steam and no one elses, and yes, full time now and business is roaring as a result. Thanks for the welcome. PeteinDE