What are the BASC thinking about, what about the Apprentice Stalkers, Gamekeepers where they are allowed to shoot, stalk without a certificate on private land , you can get a driving license at 17 ,16 if your a disabled person ,you cannot take a weapon in a vehicle to another part of the estate without supervision, more rules and laws without proper consultation and thought .
OH yes .
Why are we going back the way what happened to forward
Come on BASC get the foot in the door get it sorted ,it jacks me right off that you can do many things get a job for yourself, join the army and get killed doing the job, get married ,get a driving license . But you can't drink or now hold a firearm before your 18 years old , total crap, where the reply David hope it a good one .
Stuff Europe we are a island not Europe were giving in all the time why .
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Reason: that jarred off forgot the link
Bloody stupid rule....at a time in which we should be doing everything possible to encourage kids into the shooting sports and disciplines, we sit back and let them make it harder.
Another bloody restriction being slapped on us with the intention of killing off firearms and shotgun ownership.
unfortunately the UK has to come into line with europe. So says the government?
Sorry Paul ,I live in Scotland, I want nothing to do with Europe or its rules, this country UK has its own laws some of the oldest laws in the world, WHY do we require intervention from a European Parliament or its laws .
It is about time the bloody country stood up for the "Great" in the name of Britain, men fought and died for the ability to keep it Great Britain and they still are dieing for it today.
If Europe has that much to say about things" why" is the UK paying way over the odds for fuel, why don't they tell the British Parliament the must cut fuel duty, no instead they go for a easy option, hunting ,shooting and fishing no one will mind .
Is there any wonder Britain's greatest export is its people .
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Now Bob, don't go climbing up onto your soap box - there isn't room enough for all of us
There is always someone wanting to impose themselves on others. I love to know what there justification for this is.
LEAVE IT ALONE!
Remember, you cant legislate for idiot..when you do, they build a better idiot!
Well Wills Justification you just have to look at your own life, on a second degree, what first one a waste of time mmmmm.
Originally Posted by Wills
Law well you'll be in the money with this one .
I don't require any justification I just don't like to see this country being systematical taken over by Europe ,Ive been on the planet for a wee while I seen a lot of change due to Europe mostly appertaining to human rights, take it to the court of what ever you'll get off with it why .
I'll point something else out Wills there are plenty of us on here with degrees it nothing new maybe something else for Europe to sort out .
Lastly Impose on others, If you don't like it don't read it simple .
Ive had my certificates for 35+ years, I know a few boys that shoot at this moment that are under the age of 16 being supervised by a adult just waiting to get out there self just as I had done at their age Why with all the advancement over the years should we go back the way, just come come into line with a foreign country in this case Europe why shouldn't they come up to our standard.
Haha, no. My justification for doing a second degree is simple, my first degree was chemistry and as I work in the pharma and foods industry, I have an interest in the law in those fields, so it was a natural progression for me.
This isn’t a Human rights issue, the European Convention isn’t mentioned apart from the declaration of compatibility with the said convention, which is required when a bill is read out in Parliament. In any case, Parliament can issue a declaration of incompatibility and still pass the bill.
On the issue of your statement as to "I'll point something else out Wills there are plenty of us on here with degrees it nothing new maybe something else for Europe to sort out."
I am not sure what point you are trying to make. Great, the more education the better, doesnt have to be ratified by a degree, diploma, city and guilds..whatever, you can never know enough, there is always something new to learn. As to Europe sorting it out, what prey tell is "it"? There already is a cross border attempted harmonisation of what a degree actually means.(treaty of Amsterdam..or Rome..one of those)
Impose? From you statement, I get the impression that you feel as though I am in some way accusing you of imposing something on others..this is not the case. As to not reading it, imposition and reading are not necessarily related.
The imposition comes from Europe, which like it or not, we are compelled to abide by its Directives, Regulations...etc. I’m going to reframe from getting in a political debate on the pros and cons of EU membership as this is not the forum for it.
Your final statement on a request for the EU to come in line with our standard is an agreeable one, however, as we are one of 27 member states, that is quite a challenge. Also, it depends on the quality of the UK representatives influencing and negotiation skills.