Jc I find your post very intresting, if I ran a commercial shoot and farm I might find the deer a nuisance and shoot them all,after all someone has to pay my wages and what you pay for stalking would not go far. As for the male close season dissapearing, what would be wrong with that, a good deer manager would not be affected only the trouphy hunters who want males in hard horn. as for the females season its up to time scales, if you find it distasteful to shoot heavly pregnant does don,t do it, but don,t shoot rabbits, foxes from december, pigeons with young at nest, catch salmon going to sporn, there is nothing sacred about deer, tin hat fitted