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    Immobilon in Deer

    Hi all,

    There seems to be some confusion about the 'dangers' of eating venison from deer that have been darted using immobilon.

    Immobilon is incredibly toxic to humans, and a very small amount can kill humans in a matter of minutes.

    It is a fact that deer treated with Immobilon CANNOT go into the human food chain.

    The reason being that Large Animal Immobilon is NOT LICENSED for food animals in the UK.

    Until only a few years ago, Immobilon had a withdrawal period of 28 days, meaning that venison - or any other food animals - was safe to eat after that period.

    So what's changed? ............ None of the drug companies want to pay to get the drug licensed again. This is likely to cost 100's of thousands of pounds, and for the relatively small amounts that are sold each year, it's simply just not worth it. So now it's not licensed.

    In reality, once the drug has metabolised by the liver and diluted in the blood, then it's toxicity is very limited indeed. After 28 days have passed, then I doubt there will be any harmful residues left in the meat whatsoever.

    Prior to the drug becoming unlicensed, I have personally eaten a great deal of venison from darted animals and never been affected in any way ........... (I did go fat and bald, but I reckon that was more to do with the natural ageing process rather than eating poisoned meat!)

    Hope that clears a few things up.

    Regards,

    Mike
    (Director - Jelen Deer Services) Jelen Deer- Committed to excellence

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    Plus one for having eaten plenty of venision that had previously been darted with immobilon with no side effects.

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    With Immobilon being so toxic why "ever" would someone take that risk, of knowingly eat the meat of a darted beast ?? Why dice with the chance of becoming seriously ill. I don,t get it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by michelle View Post
    With Immobilon being so toxic why "ever" would someone take that risk, of knowingly eat the meat of a darted beast ?? Why dice with the chance of becoming seriously ill. I don,t get it.
    As the man says it used to have a withdrawal period of 28 days and it still does in a number of European countries I believe.

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    One has to ask, why does it need to be "relicenced" periodically?

    Surely, unless there is some new risk identified, the licence should remain in place. Or is it, as I suspect, a good wheeze for the government, a great way of raising funds?

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    Quote Originally Posted by michelle View Post
    With Immobilon being so toxic why "ever" would someone take that risk, of knowingly eat the meat of a darted beast ?? Why dice with the chance of becoming seriously ill. I don,t get it.
    Because up until recently as long as the deer had a minimum withdrawl period of 28 days (28 days between Immobilon having been administered and the animal being culled) the drug was licensed for use in animals going for human consumption. I may be mistaken but I think Immobilon is still licensed for food animals elsewhere in the world.

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    Just to put things into perspective, I can guarantee that more or less all of us red meat stuffing gluttons would have eaten beef, pork, lamb, chicken etc from animals which have been treated with some sort of medication. When I was rearing beef cattle simple things that had to be done on a regular basis like worming or treating for ectoparasites in the summer could mean that I could not send cattle for slaughter for up to 52 days after the end of the treatment depending on the products I used.

    As far as renewal of licences are concerned, all chemicals, compounds, medicines (even ones for us lot) have to be reviewed at set periods. Even paracetamol gets reviewed, so if a product isn't selling then there's no point in going through the expense of the review. The other thing to remember is that every country has different rules and allow drugs that our government doesn't. I remember years ago Red Smarties were not mixed into packs bound for Russia because Russia had banned the colourant that we used in the UK. Food for thought!!!

    Ade

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    It didn't appear to do Kilwilly any great harm.
    /l\ Y gwir yn erbyn y byd /l\

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pneudart View Post
    Until only a few years ago, Immobilon had a withdrawal period of 28 days, meaning that venison - or any other food animals - was safe to eat after that period.

    So what's changed? ............ None of the drug companies want to pay to get the drug licensed again. This is likely to cost 100's of thousands of pounds, and for the relatively small amounts that are sold each year, it's simply just not worth it. So now it's not licensed.

    In reality, once the drug has metabolised by the liver and diluted in the blood, then it's toxicity is very limited indeed. After 28 days have passed, then I doubt there will be any harmful residues left in the meat whatsoever.

    Prior to the drug becoming unlicensed, I have personally eaten a great deal of venison from darted animals and never been affected in any way ...........
    The fact that people have eaten darted deer and apparently suffered no ill effects means nothing.

    The reason licences have to be renewed are multiple but stem from on going surveillance of problems with the drug, improved testing and reducing threasholds for residues and food safety. Any drug that is to be used in food producing animals must have a maximum residue level (MRL), the active ingredient in Immobilon does not. An animal treated with a drug with no MRL cannot ever enter the food chain. There is no confusion it is very simple.

    We cannot say that it's not harmful as we haven't done the work to show it is.

    The rules are simple - not sure your post clears anything up, just muddies the water further. We don't want people thinking it's ok to eat these deer, because we don't know if it is safe and it is completely illegal.

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