Advice required

prometheus

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A landowner i know has a couple of enclosed Red stags remaining from a small herd he kept but disposed of last year. The problem is, the land the stags are on is about to be sold and the stags have to go. The question is, what are the options ? He contacted me because he thought he could shoot them now as land will be gone before August. I don't think opening the gates and letting them walk is an option either, there are no reds in the area and a lot of domestic property nearby.
Any Idea's out there, can they be shot out of season on any form of welfare exemption ?

all help appreciated
 
As I said call him he will point you in the right direction if he can'thelp. if you require a number pm me .
 
They aren't wild deer - they can be shot at anytime. If you aren't geared up for handling red carcases make sure, at this time of year, you have a game dealer arranged to take them in good time.
 
They are wild for all intents unless you have a Herd number for them.

Drop me a PM a friend of mine is after a couple of fresh blood stags.

We can move them etc as we already have all Licences etc in place and probably have more collective experience in capture and handling of wild deer than anyone else in the UK
 
I believe you can shoot them as they are not wild animals but farmed in an enclosed area !
 
They are wild for all intents unless you have a Herd number for them.

Drop me a PM a friend of mine is after a couple of fresh blood stags.

We can move them etc as we already have all Licences etc in place and probably have more collective experience in capture and handling of wild deer than anyone else in the UK

Just out of pure interest you state you have "more collective experience in capture and handling of wild deer than anyone in UK" so does that mean you capture wild deer and handle them? What do you do with them? Sell them to who? Or does it mean you handle park deer ?

Do you work with some of the pioneers of deer supply, handling and transport such as Fred Marshall, John Fletcher, Houghton Estates, Gunton etc?? who to my knowledge and many others are the most probable and experienced deer suppliers, live capture specilists and handlers in UK.

Just a question and not meant in any arquementive or abusive way.
 
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They are wild for all intents unless you have a Herd number for them.

Drop me a PM a friend of mine is after a couple of fresh blood stags.

We can move them etc as we already have all Licences etc in place and probably have more collective experience in capture and handling of wild deer than anyone else in the UK

Hmmmm ... Don't think you should be moving stags in velvet (especially wild ones!), I doubt you will have a license in place for that unless it is a welfare issue under veterinary direction for veterinary purposes!!!!!

If you need any specialist advice on that, please do get in touch.

Regards,

Mike
(Director - Jelen Deer Services) Jelen Deer- Committed to excellence
 
Thanks for the advice given from all. i will make some calls after the bank hol to try and get this problem resolved.
 
prometheus

I'll bow to the greater experience of others, but you might want to quickly check with the farmer whether the deer in question have ever been tranquilised. If they are natural offspring from the former herd then your options will likely be greater.

willie_gunn
 
Just out of pure interest you state you have "more collective experience in capture and handling of wild deer than anyone in UK" so does that mean you capture wild deer and handle them? What do you do with them? Sell them to who? Or does it mean you handle park deer ?

Do you work with some of the pioneers of deer supply, handling and transport such as Fred Marshall, John Fletcher, Houghton Estates, Gunton etc?? who to my knowledge and many others are the most probable and experienced deer suppliers, live capture specilists and handlers in UK.

Just a question and not meant in any arquementive or abusive way.


Hi Chopper thanks for the interest the team that I am talking about have worked with those and many more aswell.

Some of the guy on the team have their own parks and farms others have work on research projects.

A number of the team have licenses issused by Natural England for the capture of wild deer.
and I can assure you there are not many of those issued each year I would be supprised if you needed more than one hand to count them anyway.

As for moving them in velvet did I say I planned to move them in velvet
The only definative reference book for the capture and handling of wild deer in the UK does not recommend it could however be done if there was a nessesity
 
Simon

Is he stil looking for the same money for them?? and are they still as wild??

Rich, he will probably want carcass weight for them, Still wild and both alone in a fenced field. The older of the two is about 4 the other is 2.
 
prometheus

I'll bow to the greater experience of others, but you might want to quickly check with the farmer whether the deer in question have ever been tranquilised. If they are natural offspring from the former herd then your options will likely be greater.

willie_gunn

Willie they have not ever been darted and they are natural offspring of the original herd brought in about 8 years ago.
 
It's my understanding that " park deer " are regarded neither as wild or as farmed and are treated differently as regards law, occupying a position between the two. They can be culled at any point regardless of legal season if they are enclosed . There is a duty of care but it is less stringent than the intervention/husbandry required for a farmed deer which is a domestic animal. I think one of the keys to classifying them as "park" was the freedom to exhibit natural behaviour. I would also be cautious as to whether they had previously been darted as the regulations regards darting and tagging is roughly a deer lifespan old and was not well adhered to at least up here.
 
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