humane despatch

mickjgardner

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To save the hassle of trying to get a pistol,would there be anything stopping me getting a 22 and cutting the stock and barrel down to the minimum or maybe a long barreled pistol.Not sure where definitions come in.BTW pest control business so need something discreet for despatching foxes in cage traps
 
moderated 410 , wrap it in a tarp , put the tarp over the trap go under it and shoot the fox with a subsonic cartridge bag up your fox wrap up your gun off you go
 
To get a long barrelled pistol you'd still need to put a variation in and join a target club as good reason to own it, and then I doubt they'd condition it for dispatch... It would be less hassle to get a 2 shot .38 revolver, you clearly have good reason.
 
Hi Mick

when you apply to renew your section 1, have the/a .22 rifle put on to specify also to kill foxes ( explain in a letter that it is for trapping etc), that way you don't require a section 5, I don't have a section 5 now for humane dispatch foxes it is on my open certificate for foxes for .22 and .17 HMR. (although I don't use a .17 on foxes)

Wouldn't worry about being discreet, the job is lead by safety, place the traps in a suitable catchment area to avoid any problems and it is safe to discharge a firearm, don't forget to get a police CAD number prior to. if this is not possible transport the animal to a suitable place keeping within the wildlife and countryside act, hope this of some help
 
To get a long barrelled pistol you'd still need to put a variation in and join a target club as good reason to own it, and then I doubt they'd condition it for dispatch... It would be less hassle to get a 2 shot .38 revolver, you clearly have good reason.

if you pest control by way of business then youhave really good reason, to have pistol but i thnk the police would grant you a 22rf pistol for foxes,restricted to 2 shots or silge shot
 
Although firing shorgun shells, a .410 pistol still falls under a Section 5 prohibited weapon. A good idea mind you.
 
I do rta animal distpatch for Hampshire police, i also have a 410 bouble barreled pistol for vermin control on my FAC, but have been told that i cant use it for rta's.
 
Although firing shorgun shells, a .410 pistol still falls under a Section 5 prohibited weapon. A good idea mind you.

You can be granted one on a normal section 1 FAC with a good reason.

13.20 Section 4 of the 1997 Act allows the
possession and use of shot pistols in calibres
.410 and 9mm rimfire, provided that such a
pistol is “subject to a condition that it is only
for use in connection with the shooting of
vermin” (see Appendix 3 for the exact
wording of the condition which covers these
circumstances). This exemption was intended
mainly for pest controllers who may need to
use a firearm of this kind in farm buildings,
farmyards and similar areas where use of
a conventional shot gun would be
inappropriate, for example fruit cages
or near release pens.
 
You can be granted one on a normal section 1 FAC with a good reason.

13.20 Section 4 of the 1997 Act allows the
possession and use of shot pistols in calibres
.410 and 9mm rimfire, provided that such a
pistol is “subject to a condition that it is only
for use in connection with the shooting of
vermin” (see Appendix 3 for the exact
wording of the condition which covers these
circumstances). This exemption was intended
mainly for pest controllers who may need to
use a firearm of this kind in farm buildings,
farmyards and similar areas where use of
a conventional shot gun would be
inappropriate, for example fruit cages
or near release pens.

You learn something new every day...........my understanding was that it neither fell into the definition of a Section 1 or Section 2 and was therefeore classed as a prohibited weapon..........I shall need to remember that, interesting !!!
 
You can be granted one on a normal section 1 FAC with a good reason.

13.20 Section 4 of the 1997 Act allows the
possession and use of shot pistols in calibres
.410 and 9mm rimfire, provided that such a
pistol is “subject to a condition that it is only
for use in connection with the shooting of
vermin” (see Appendix 3 for the exact
wording of the condition which covers these
circumstances). This exemption was intended
mainly for pest controllers who may need to
use a firearm of this kind in farm buildings,
farmyards and similar areas where use of
a conventional shot gun would be
inappropriate, for example fruit cages
or near release pens.

I guess thats why mine was granted, rat shooting in the tunnels under our dreir, just not room to swing a conventional shotgun, good set of ear defenderds needed...!!!
 
I think the taurus judge could fall into section 5 because it's a revolver/shotgun, but apparently a bond arms derringer would be ok.

If there's any chance of getting a Judge for rats around the barns and chicken sheds.... I'm on it :D If not I'll settle for a derringer.
 
I think the taurus judge could fall into section 5 because it's a revolver/shotgun, but apparently a bond arms derringer would be ok.

If there's any chance of getting a Judge for rats around the barns and chicken sheds.... I'm on it :D If not I'll settle for a derringer.

Interesting one.

If we go to the wording of the 1997 Act itself rather than the HO Guidance which Apache kindly posted, it states this:

4 Shot pistols used for shooting vermin.

(1)The authority of the Secretary of State [F3or the Scottish Ministers (by virtue of provision made under section 63 of the Scotland Act 1998)] is not required by virtue of subsection (1)(aba) of section 5 of the 1968 Act for a person to have in his possession, or to purchase or acquire, or to sell or transfer, a shot pistol if he is authorised by a firearm certificate to have the shot pistol in his possession, or to purchase or acquire it, subject to a condition that it is only for use in connection with the shooting of vermin.
(2)For the purposes of this section, “shot pistol” means a smooth-bored gun which is chambered for .410 cartridges or 9mm rim-fire cartridges.

All clear then? :D

Back to the good ole HO Guidance and you'll find this one:

2.7 The 1988 Act also raised to the
prohibited category any smooth-bore revolver
gun other than one that is chambered for
9mm rimfire cartridges or is a muzzle-loading
revolver gun. The first exemption is
understood to cover “ratting” or “garden”
guns. Since the 1988 Act does not permit any
revolver gun to be regarded as a “shot gun”,
smooth-bore revolver guns which are
chambered for 9mm rimfire or muzzleloading
guns are “firearms” and subject to
control under section 1 of the 1968 Act.


Depending on how clued up your FLD is you might be able to get a Taurus by quoting the 1997 Act 4.1 & 2 and hope they interpret 'shot pistol' and 'smooth-bore gun' as including a revolver type.
 
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