thank you sinbad for replying .ox is 3 years old , if some 1 was to allow me to accompany them on a stalk , i would be keeping him on a short leash and both of us would stay out of the way untill the stalker says that i can take ox to the carcus ,ive done blood ,lung and hide trails with him on a 15 metre lead and the only time he got it wrong is when i gave him a bum stear [i thought i knew better but hes the 1 with the better nose].my funds are tight at the min or i would take him to where i normaly go . as a plus to any body who did let us tag along having an extra pair of hands to sort the carcus out and get it back is always a benifit