More Health and Safety crap from our esteemed government and political shits. It shows the complete lack of understanding as the politicians and thier suit clad lackies sip G&T in the House of Commons Bar but our Soldiers/Sailors and Airmen have to go in harms way without the facility for proper training and equipment, I dont think they really understand we are at WAR at this precise moment and people are dying . This also has an effect on all civilian shooters as well.
"Dear shooter you may have heard of the Army's intention to reduce
energy on Military Ranges. Below is copied the latest information I
which I believe is due to appear on the NRA Website shortly. Regards
*_A View from the NRA_*
*Muzzle Energy and the MoD*
Along with clubs and individuals the NRA found itself on the back foot
when we were quietly told in the last week in October 2007 that the MoD
had agreed to change the muzzle energy rates for use of their ranges by
civilians from 7000 joules to 3800 joules. This news caused great
consternation as effectively it meant that Target Rifle, Match Rifle, F
Class and other forms of long range shooting were effectively banned on
all MoD ranges and Bisley.
Urgent discussions between the NRA and the MoD revealed that a decision
had not been reached but that this was a proposal. However, to induce a
bit more concern Altcar decided to be a head of the game and to
introduce the new proposed provisions with immediate effect. This
ensured that the knowledge of the proposed change was out in the
shooting community at the same time as the Association became aware and
panic ensued. At the same time as the NRA was trying to discover how
serious the issue was and the MoD’s intentions we were simultaneously
under assault from shooters concerned at losing their sport.
In early discussions we learnt that the reason for this proposed change
of policy was that when looking at the introduction of the .338 sniper
rifle the Army had discovered that if fire was not precise, rounds
escape from ranges. The muzzle energy of a .338 is 6000+ joules. The
then carried out a general examination to find a muzzle energy figure
that would guarantee rounds would not escape from ranges. On this basis
they proposed to introduce the 3800 joules limit that meant in terms of
Target Rifle 144 grain bullets were OK but competition ammunition of
grain was probably out.
Effectively if no accommodation could be reached most national and
international long range competitions could not be shot in the UK on
most ranges, including Bisley.
A series of urgent meetings took place between the Association and the
MoD, to either get the limits changed upwards or find other ways of
satisfying concerns. We were informed that the general limit of 3800
joules would remain however if we could propose a package of measures
designed to ensure all rounds would be contained by the range stop-butt
then the MoD would consider allowing civilians to shoot ammunition that
exceeded the that figure
To give an example of the scope of this decision to reduce the muzzle
energy limit one has only has to look at ‘historics’, the Black Bess
musket which when fired using black powder generates some of the
muzzle energy figures, exceeding even the .338, accepting that the ball
at most travels a few hundred yards.
Even though this form of measurement is an inexact science the MoD
insist that this is the way in which they will judge what firearms and
ammunition can be fired on their ranges. Discussions around a different
method of measuring or arguments about whether the current 155 grain
bullet is over or under the bar will not be worth the effort, because
We have to realise that to the military there is no ‘Defence
to allowing us to shoot on their ranges.
In our discussions however they are willing to consider letting
civilians shoot in excess of 3800 joules if we can put in place
procedures that will mean we hit the stop-butt.
*The NRA is determined to do everything it can to ensure all legitimate
shooters can continue to take part in and enjoy their sport.*
To this end the Association has negotiated a months grace to allow us
put together proposals designed to meet the needs of the MoD and allow
all of you who shoot full-bore to continue shooting.
The military have indicted that we need to offer ‘comfort’ relating to
the following, Safe Person, Safe Training, Safe Practice and Safe
in that we have the correct procedures in place to guarantee bullets
will be captured by the stop-butt.
The military want to be assured that everyone who shoots on a MoD range
is competent and safe to fire the classes of firearm they are using.
Initially this will probably require each Club Secretary or Chairman to
sign off each individual as being competent and safe, identifying the
types of firearms they are able to fire. If agreed the NRA will supply
by email and the website an agreed form of certificate for clubs to
Going forward it has already been indicated that training of
will be an issue. As previously informed in this magazine the
Association intends to send to all its clubs the new Probationary
Training pack, originally for them to chose to use or not. As with RCO
courses, it will probably become a requirement for individuals, new to
the sport, to have undertaken an approved course to shoot on MoD
The NRA hopefully will be supplying appropriate course material for
clubs to meet this need.
In the future the NRA also believes that to make things easier for
and individuals that we may need to introduce a ‘Shooting Logbook’ so
that a person’s qualifications, experience and classes of firearms they
are able to fire are recorded in the same document for easy production.
//It has been suggested that in future on a MoD range it will be
necessary for civilians to demonstrate that their fire is accurate from
the outset of a range day. It is proposed that if there is no ‘zero
range’ the shoot should start at 200 yards to ensure all rifles are
zeroed before moving back. This will be inconvenient and will require
that everyone turns up to shoot at an agreed time to get zeroed, with
the whole procedure being monitored closely by RCO’s.
The details of what this means in practice are still to be agreed. For
instance during the Annual Meeting at Bisley to get 1200 competitors to
zero each day would be extremely difficult.
In addition a strict understanding of range orders and compliance will
be essential for clubs to ensure their continued use of MoD ranges.
MoD Ranges as we are all aware are strictly inspected, maintained and
controlled environments. Incidentally the ranges at Bisley are leased
from the Army. As such they are inspected and certificated by them
regularly and are thus controlled by the same conditions as those
run by the MoD. Effectively, the muzzle energy restrictions will affect
Bisley in the same way as any other MoD range. Fortunately we do have
zeroing facilities that other ranges may not have.
The NRA accepts that what is proposed is possibly onerous and will be
seen by many as a further erosion of shooting rights. The Association
however will be attempting to minimise the effects of these changes and
trying to keep everyone shooting.
Any input from clubs and individuals to help achieve this aim is
welcomed. Please contact the NRA by e-mail as we will be fully engaged
on this project and are unlikely to be able to answer all your
calls during this period. Your input will, however, be fully taken into
account. We hope that by working together and using the considerable
expertise within our wider membership we can achieve a successful
outcome for us all. Updates will be posted regularly on the NRA website
as matters develop."
Hunting is getting as close as you can, shooting is getting as far away as possible.