I would like a cheap 12g , as long as the bore is good im not to bothered about condition . the "shorter" the barrel the better , and the nearer to macclesfield also the better . I intend to use it for my collection of 410 inserts thanks gerry ,, AND FOR THOSE THAT THINK DIFFERENTLY , BY SHORTEST BARREL I MEEN A LEGAL 24" NOT 30" , AND NOT A SAWN OFF !!!