spot on ,if you dont intend giving it up it is upseting when you lose it !, happy hunting ,its a lovely peice of groundthanks for the reply buddy no offence was taken but i can understand peoples frustration at the way these matters are dealt with. we have been in the same boat on numerous occasions. we have traveled and viewed many shoots in the past and have been astounded to lose some of them after bidding more than they were worth just because they were convenient for us. enough moaning lets enjoy the shooting while we can. cheers chaznut