thanks for reply, I've got exactly what you describe below, its a 22acre area between woodland. There's only fallow on this piece of ground and only really passing trade! What I'm looking for is more ground either to rent or go out on, on a regular basis in North Wales. I've got good ground around 6000 acres in Norfolk and as much as I want in North Devon and in the Black Isle area of Scotland but it's so far to travel.