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Thread: Quickclot, Celox etc.

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    Quickclot, Celox etc.


    Following various threads about nasty accidents whilst stalking, I am thinking of investing in some type of blood clotting product to keep in my stalking pack for use in an emergency. I'm thinking of use on deep cuts received while gralloching rather than anything else.

    I've done some internet research and have seen the various quickclot products (the granules and gauze). I've read that the granules can cause damage if they get in an eye, hence the gauze is preferable. I've also read about Celox products. Various sources suggest that these have some advantages over quickclot and might be the one to go for. Both are expensive, although cheap compared to the alternative of bleeding to death.

    My question is to experienced first aiders, military medics and others with first hand knowledge. I am not a first aider and am a bit squeamish about human blood (and in particular my own), so am I likely to be able to use any of these products on either myself or others to good effect? My gut feel is that its better to have the stuff available than not, but I may be kidding myself that I might be of any use with it. Also, assuming there is merit in getting some, which is best for use by an untrained, incompetent, amateur such as myself and is there anything I should know in advance that might improve the effectiveness of myself and the stuff ?

    Thanks in advance.


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    trust me, if you stick a knife in an artery, you'll overcome your fear of blood and pour some celox in the wound...better yet, always cut away from your body ;-)

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    I think your intentions are admirable and if yiur really serious invest in a first aid course..

    You dont have to be out stalking to come across an accident and it may at somepoint save or help a member of your own family


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    I've used both and I think celox is the best out of the two.



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    Celox and late version Quik-Clot are both effective. They are not magic wands, but offer an option.

    Usage is not overly technical and short of getting it in your eyes or trying to eat the stuff, it will not do any great harm - per se.

    But I'd heartily agree with PS1 - a first aid course will ultimately prove of far greater benefit to you. The market is saturated and unfortunately the good, bad and ugly exist as in all things. It is well worth looking out those with a lessor commercial axe to grind - St Andrews, St John's etc.

    Be braced that many professionals in the field still slate haemostatic products and traipse out all the old myths. I carry Celox and trust it. However, the confidence to properly approach a situation and a well applied appropriate dressing will do you a far greater service. At that stage, by all means add one of these products to your inventory.

    I hope that helps.
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    I agree, a basic first aid course would be worthwhile.
    Sphagnum moss is a good wound packing if your on the hill without a first aid kit to hand, use it wet to clean wound and then squeeze it out and use to pack wound or dressing for cut . remarkably effective.

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    I've used the celox gauze on others, for this to work it has to be pressed deep and hard into the wound ( it's not a magic bandage & won't work if used like a bandage) if you cut an artery then you are looking at applying indirect pressure so a tourniquet would be better, training in the use of this is essential and they need to be correctly preped for self use. I do carry both and can only hope if I needed to apply either to myself that I would be able to. I also carry a couple of field dressings, chest seal and a few basics. Fingers crossed I won't ever need them.

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    ive used both in afghan celox is very effective at stopping serious bleeds quickly we applied it to a guy who lost both legs and an arm he probably had minutes to live it stopped the bleeding quickly. Just be careful with the use of some battle field first aid equitment as it can only be removed through surgery and if used incorrectly can cause long termn problems. a basic dressing that applies pressure to the wound might be a better option.

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    There is stuff we can learn from the military and carry over into civilian lives, but the sorts of injuries you are likely to encounter are very, very different. In a military situation the injuries are gunshot wounds and blast injuries causing major trauma and frequently severing limbs. In these cases tourniquets, haemostatics, chest seals are often needed. The goal is simple - stop your blood all running out until you get further treatment (that is actually likely to be close by).

    When stalking the most likely injuries are cuts to extremities with a blade, falls (=sprains), etc. Unless you stalk with a total ejit a gunshot wound is very very very unlikely. Almost all bleeding can be stopped with a pressure bandage. It is relatively simple to treat yourself. They are very versatile and can be used on a number of different injuries. Haemostatics augment the pressure dressings and may give you advantages during heavy blood loss. My concern is that if faced with a serious injury you are going to pratt about trying to locate and open sachets when you need to slap a dressing on quickly.

    I'm not convinced that either tourniquets or haemostatics are really for self treatment.

    My advice is to go and get yourself a few of these:
    T4 Trauma Dressing Pad with Elasticated Bandage - SP Services (UK) Ltd
    or these
    T6 Trauma Dressing Pad with Elasticated Bandage

    Buy a couple more than you need and have a play with one. Stick one in your shooting coat pockets, glovebox etc.

    You can use them for serious wounds, more minor cuts, grazes, ankle/wrist support, improvised sling, eye dressing, even mend the dog!

    (as a surgeon I am not a fan of adding foreign material to wounds unless absolutely necessary, and most of the time it is not)

    (There were issues with exothermic burns when Quick-clot first came out, but I believe that has been rectified, there is little to chose between the products)

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    I did my three day First Aid course with an ex frontline medic who happily added some extra time in to cover the op's scenario..

    The fella specialised in facial trauma and anybody or group wanting their first aid course id be happy to recommend him with his details via a pm
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