Cwd, you are as goldy says, correct, my patch borders them directly with some cracking beasties on it, shadwell do have some monsters though, I was chatting to one of their stalkers a while back, and he was saying that once the sheikh has shot a stag of x amount of points he won't ever shoot another one smaller, always after the next biggest, I think his last one was around 24 points, but you should see how much they feed them! Carrots by the lorry load......and yes, they do farm most of the estate themselves, some is let, some managed by natural England as a nature reserve etc, but as Lee said, they ain't short of a bob or two......he wanted to release capercaillie on the estate as he enjoyed shooting them so much, but having got a load in cages, he then wasn't allowed to release them under the wildlife and countryside act......so they released a load of wild turkeys instead and shoot them, quite a site to see a spaniel try and pick one of them up after a drive!