Shooting Organisations how representative are they?

Well, like David said there is a lot of common direction among the British shooting organisations and BASC is by far the more 'mature' and well presented of the bodies to voice the shooting public interests. The like of LACS/RSPCA and far less balanced because of the dodgy nature of many of their members and their desire to play on emotive topics to get donations :evil:

The really important this we have to respect is the game being played between the shooting organisations and the anti type tw**s whether we understand the politics of it or not. Brian May is a well played piece in a bigger game trying to turn public opinion at every opportunity but his contributon will wear thin soon... like his hairline :rofl:

Another thing to think about is the character of the shooting organisations that allows for a mixture of directions representing the different areas and parts of our shooting industries. It's certainly more complicated than you might first think.
 
Dear all,
Here is the list of FACE UK members;

Association of Masters of Harriers & Beagles
Atlantic Salmon Trust
British Association for Shooting and Conservation
British Deer Society
British Falconer's Club
Countryside Alliance
Game and Wildlife Conservation Trust
Game Farmers’ Association
Hawk Board
Masters of Deer Hounds’ Association
Masters of Fox Hounds’ Association
Masters of Mink Hounds’ Association
National Gamekeepers’ Organisation
Scottish Land and Estates
St Hubert Club
Union of Country Sports Workers
Welsh Woodcock Club.

David
 
As others have already noted the BDS are a deer welfare charity and not a shooting organisation. Certainly at branch level they're not competing with anyone for your pound as it's committee's are made up of volunteers. They're all unpaid and only claim a few expenses!! They're not in it for the money as there is none. Their primary interest is the welfare of deer which involves educating the public about deer and training those people needing/wanting training in deer management, which in turn involves shooting. So they do share some common ground and of course support shooting. The southwest England branch is actively trying to get these organisations together and their first attempt was their last members evening which was held in conjunction with the Game and Wildlife Conservation Trust. It's a start anyway.
 
Dear all,
Here is the list of FACE UK members;

Association of Masters of Harriers & Beagles
Atlantic Salmon Trust
British Association for Shooting and Conservation
British Deer Society
British Falconer's Club
Countryside Alliance
Game and Wildlife Conservation Trust
Game Farmers’ Association
Hawk Board
Masters of Deer Hounds’ Association
Masters of Fox Hounds’ Association
Masters of Mink Hounds’ Association
National Gamekeepers’ Organisation
Scottish Land and Estates
St Hubert Club
Union of Country Sports Workers
Welsh Woodcock Club.

David

Certainly a lot more organisations involved than I first thought....
 
Sorry, I should have been more clear about FACE!

Here is a link to the main FACE web site – that explains FACE and its role across Europe.
http://www.face.eu/about-us

In the UK there are a group of organisations, including BASC and the CA plus others, who make up FACE UK, the FACE UK team put forward joint documents consultations and representations on FACE issues on behalf of hunters \ shooters in the UK

Best wishes

David
thats all well and good but at least shooters outside of this country have organisations that fight for shooters rights and have vast televised support and vast media coverage, none of the shooting organisations here seem to do anything about our rights, look at brian May and the way he fights for animal welfare yet when he gets his knickers in a twist about some animal there is never shooting organisation running after him to rebuff his BS.

paul
 
All subject to the GRANT of a FAC. So all shooters.

Plus by the sounds of it a great many target shooters also stalk deer.
Im only a member to use the ranges for a fun day out with other deer stalking buddy's. So I'm there maybe once ever six weeks give or take.
Target shooting is VERY boaring! If you take it seriously, at least to me it is.

Thanks David BTW.
target shooting is boring, so where do you sight your rifle and check it for continued zero, there is many target shooters who could and do out shot stalkers and many more hunters regulalry, and if you are a home loader then there is much more to target shooting than just trying to put a hole in a square of paper at X distance, try shooting a chickens egg at 800 yrds then tell me target shooting is boring.

paul
 
There are many organisations which claim to represent shooting interests, however as soon as one gets a mention on SD discussions ensue regarding their relative merits and all too often their shortcomings. Would it not be in the best interest of all their members if there was a degree of cooperation between these for mutual benefit? After all if our opponents such as the RSPCA and LACS can work together, why not BASC, CA,SACS, BDS etc.?
atb Tim

We all work together more than you think for example through BSSC but of course we need to maintain identity. Its not about money either. As for representative, we do anything we can, trouble is some people think that anything up to and including hijacking and terrorism should be used and forget that there are constraints beyond our control. Reality and fantasy are all too often blurred.
 
Very true David...if I squint my eyes really hard my mrs looks like Jessica Alba and the fantasy becomes a reality if only for a few seconds :)
 
target shooting is boring, so where do you sight your rifle and check it for continued zero, there is many target shooters who could and do out shot stalkers and many more hunters regulalry, and if you are a home loader then there is much more to target shooting than just trying to put a hole in a square of paper at X distance, try shooting a chickens egg at 800 yrds then tell me target shooting is boring.

paul

Hehehehehe. I knew that would get a bite.

But for me,

zero is done on the stalking ground. The scope rarely needs adjusting. Load development stops when if I try a powder out and I find a round that shoots to my specification 1"@100yards( mine,yours and any rifle will shoot at pressure it likes. So adjust your charge to that presure band)I would respond to the idea that target shooters are just so much better shots. The true test of a marksman is to be able to shoot any rifle that he is given.

But each to there own.

And we are way of topic now!
 
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We all work together more than you think for example through BSSC but of course we need to maintain identity. Its not about money either. As for representative, we do anything we can, trouble is some people think that anything up to and including hijacking and terrorism should be used and forget that there are constraints beyond our control. Reality and fantasy are all too often blurred.

When I posted this thread it was not specifically to criticise any particular shooting organisation or really any others that encompass activities such as hunting and fishing.

If I have a concern it is this:-

Together our organisations represent a significantly large voting block, in the past politicians have skilfully created divides between us to suit their own purposes, e.g. Jonathon Swift's comments praising Alun Michael during the passage of his Hunting Bill.

We now have a strong unified threat from the RSPCA, LACS etc over Badger culls etc., politicians will see this as a large number of votes, to counter this influence we must by all means have a number of competing organisations representing shooting interests but when it comes to dealing with our politicians I believe that a prominent unified effort is necessary.

atb Tim
 
It presents difficulties when one organisation is actively try to 'poach' members from another, ie CA from BASC. It must produce a certain degree of friction in any working relationship they have.
 
Yes it does cause a bit of friction and it’s a great shame that some organisations adverts directly and overtly target others, even by name –‘ Join us we are cheaper the XXXX’! Is a classic example that’s been running for the last couple of years…

Ultimately as I have said before, all the organisations offer something a bit different and have different prices.

Some of us, me included, choose to support more than one, in my case, CA, BASC, GWCT and Angling Trust, others will stick to just one.

All of the organisations will offer insurance a mag, andsome level of advisory services to its members, the larger organisations, because they have a lot more resources, tend to take the brunt of media and politica llobbying home and abroad, as well as offering a wider range of membership servicesfor the extra £35 or so.

The organisations represent their constituencies and are driven by their respective Council of members / elected Board – so each one will represent its members, as dictated by the members at general meetings and through elections to the board / council.

Shooting sports are very diverse in the uk so to be blunt i twill be very difficult to have 1 super shooting organisation, I would guarantee that within 2 years of a super organisation being formed there would be ‘splitter groups’ forming saying the super organisations is not doing enough to represent its discipline or interests – it’s happened before, it will happen again.

Much better to have specialist organisations representingand catering for their membership fully and to the best of their ability, but at the same tome working together on big issue strategies projects through BASSC, FACE, the Shoot Summit and so on.

Oh and stop silly advertising trying to poach each other’smembers!

David
 
David,

Thanks for your details of "FACE UK", I am still not quite sure what exactly this organisation is, but I suppose the real point is, if FACE is on occasion acting as some sort of umbrella body are my M.P. (Andrew Turner. Isle of Wight) and other politicians aware of who they are and what they do?

atb Tim
 
Looking through the List i is worrying that SGA SACS ADMG LDNS ETC all scottish organisation is this FACE UK more of an English thing.
 
Tim,

MP’s should in the first insurance maintain contact with their respective shooting / countryside organisations representatives, as they will advise and lobby on specific UK issues.

FACE UK is not a BASC organisation, the current Chairman is Barny White- Spunner – Exec Chair of the CA, the Vice Chairman is Christopher Graffius, Director of Communications BASC

If an organisations wants to join FACE UK they much contact the Secretary of FACE UK, which at the moment is Conor O Gorman, his e-mail address is conor.ogorman@basc.org.uk

Best wishes

David
 
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