Grant (or TJ, if you see this first), if you PM me your email adress, I will send you a couple of photos that you can put up as I don't seem to be able to do it. As far as red deer terminology goes, Spikers, Knobbers and Prickets (prickets is less often used as it generally refers to fallow) are all used to decribe this age class of animal, ie born June 2008 so 15 months old at the moment. I tend to call them spikers so as not to be confused with my fallow prickets and knobbers just seems inapropriate when they carry well developed antlers. The different terms always promote discussion and I think that it is good to keep them alive rather than just saying yearling stag etc. You are right that the remainder will gain a few kilos over the next couple of months but I still shoot all of the poor ones as soon as the season opens just so that visitors only see the good ones and I can pretend that they were all like that and I don't have any average or poor ones! JC