countrryboy
Well-Known Member
Alright
aplologies in advance, i'm probably going to make a right a**e off writting wot i'm thinking, so no change there then
Over the last few years been reading and learning a lot on here as well as a few reccommended books on 'continental' scent training and some off the succes that a few off u are get is alomst unbelievable, infact if some off u met me in the pub and told me ur dog can track scent only x hours old and y meters long, i would off called u a liar. It just blows my mind wot some off u and ur dogs/hounds are doing.
The way they start there puppies off very early doing mini puppy tracks, do u think it is absolutely crucial in 'awaking/switching on' either some part off the nose or brain and really gettin ur dog tuned in to it's own nose, and then go on to the very high level u are training ur dogs to.
Or do u think u could 'inherit' a dog very similar (and i know its not possible and a lot off if's and but's) of same breed and similar decent working stock say at a yearish old that is pretty much untouched training wise but also has no real flaws/bad habits. Do u think given time (and i would expect it would need longer being older) u could train it to the same standard as the pup. Or do u think that critical pup say 3-6 month stage is critical to truely switching the dogs nose on, so if u miss that stage ur dogs nose/brain will never get as 'tuned in' as the pup's would be?
Hope that makes sense to u.
My 2nd question.
Do u think any aspect off scent hound training could be transferred to the very basic stages off puppy training for a gundog? (and i'm talking about a gundog that will be 100% bird dog with no interest i deer) Basically to try and improve ur gundogs nose for later in life. Thinking about it now most off the puppy dog training/play i do is very much sight orientated play throwing things in short grass type thing, don't get me wrong i do throw dummies into longer grass for hunt type play but ur always trying to get succes without u boring the pup.
I must admit my dogs have no problem with lack of nose/game finding (plenty of other problems thou) but just wondering if there is any way i could adapt my training to improve my next dog
The reason i'm asking is been on the grouse the day and for all my dogs done pretty well, grouse can be absolute pigs to pick at times and there was a couple off grouse that my dogs never picked that i expected them too (and so did the gun), and i began to doubt them a bit. But in fairness thinking back probably only 1 runner that i know i've missed. A couple off the others must have been picked by beaters as dogs were keen on puff's of feathers yet no bird close to the path they walk and i said to 1 of the other pickers up who is a neighbouring keeper to run his pack over the area to double check and they came up empty too (althou that doesn't mean there wasn't a bird there) and they're very exp grouse dogs. So in reality they done alright. Just that last bird hunted for ages (last picker up of hill again) after the last drive, really annoys me if i can't get them
Just wondering if/when i get my next pup if there is something i could do to really improve/utilise it's nose to it's full potential like u scent boys are doing with ur dogs
Cheers hope that makes sense to u, to long to think about things between drives
aplologies in advance, i'm probably going to make a right a**e off writting wot i'm thinking, so no change there then
Over the last few years been reading and learning a lot on here as well as a few reccommended books on 'continental' scent training and some off the succes that a few off u are get is alomst unbelievable, infact if some off u met me in the pub and told me ur dog can track scent only x hours old and y meters long, i would off called u a liar. It just blows my mind wot some off u and ur dogs/hounds are doing.
The way they start there puppies off very early doing mini puppy tracks, do u think it is absolutely crucial in 'awaking/switching on' either some part off the nose or brain and really gettin ur dog tuned in to it's own nose, and then go on to the very high level u are training ur dogs to.
Or do u think u could 'inherit' a dog very similar (and i know its not possible and a lot off if's and but's) of same breed and similar decent working stock say at a yearish old that is pretty much untouched training wise but also has no real flaws/bad habits. Do u think given time (and i would expect it would need longer being older) u could train it to the same standard as the pup. Or do u think that critical pup say 3-6 month stage is critical to truely switching the dogs nose on, so if u miss that stage ur dogs nose/brain will never get as 'tuned in' as the pup's would be?
Hope that makes sense to u.
My 2nd question.
Do u think any aspect off scent hound training could be transferred to the very basic stages off puppy training for a gundog? (and i'm talking about a gundog that will be 100% bird dog with no interest i deer) Basically to try and improve ur gundogs nose for later in life. Thinking about it now most off the puppy dog training/play i do is very much sight orientated play throwing things in short grass type thing, don't get me wrong i do throw dummies into longer grass for hunt type play but ur always trying to get succes without u boring the pup.
I must admit my dogs have no problem with lack of nose/game finding (plenty of other problems thou) but just wondering if there is any way i could adapt my training to improve my next dog
The reason i'm asking is been on the grouse the day and for all my dogs done pretty well, grouse can be absolute pigs to pick at times and there was a couple off grouse that my dogs never picked that i expected them too (and so did the gun), and i began to doubt them a bit. But in fairness thinking back probably only 1 runner that i know i've missed. A couple off the others must have been picked by beaters as dogs were keen on puff's of feathers yet no bird close to the path they walk and i said to 1 of the other pickers up who is a neighbouring keeper to run his pack over the area to double check and they came up empty too (althou that doesn't mean there wasn't a bird there) and they're very exp grouse dogs. So in reality they done alright. Just that last bird hunted for ages (last picker up of hill again) after the last drive, really annoys me if i can't get them
Just wondering if/when i get my next pup if there is something i could do to really improve/utilise it's nose to it's full potential like u scent boys are doing with ur dogs
Cheers hope that makes sense to u, to long to think about things between drives