Wolverine
Well-Known Member
The fact is,some people are seeing the UK as some sort of cash cow for rarer breeds which are not as numerous/popular here as on the continent.Not only that,some prey on the fact that there is not the knowledge of these breeds in the UK.....such a pity for such people that this has changed/is changing.
What I would say though,is make sure you know EXACTLY what you are purchasing.
Do you know the history of the pedigree,is epilepsy prevalent,do you have the expertise required to know this?
How many tracks per year do the sire and dam do,on what game?
Just because you are told a dog barks,does it......ie do you believe everything you are told-I do not,I learn it,study it and then ask other more knowledgable people than I about the perceived subject.Same with a dog purchased abroad-ask others who know the sire and dam,preferably(if you can-difficult though)see them work.
Serious trackers/serious dog men know all about the KBGS and other societies.Especially on the continent.....
Just because a dog has a FCI pedigree does not mean that dog will work nor does it mean its worth a heap of cold hard cash.No matter how many show awards it has achieved.
In Europe,certain breeds have to sit basic tests before being allowed to be shown in shows,please do note the word BASIC.
FCI pedigree is NO guarantee of health status NOR working ability,it will normally look like that breed though.
Saying all that-there is no saying that a FCI papered dog will not be a brilliant worker,free from health issues,however,I like to hedge my bets in my favour and the dogs.
What I would say is these FCI dogs are more expensive here in the UK than they are abroad,why?
Who is making the money?
Often these FCI dogs are more expensive than dogs from societies which care about the working ability foremost,health foremost and conformation foremost.These dogs are proven on harder tests by much much more knowledgable trackers.
These societies actually care about the dogs and their work......not the money to be made from them.
Please note-these societies dogs are also FCI papered.They have a much more important added distinction.....that is the stamp,ISHV,on that FCI pedigree.....that is the guarantee of EVERY dog within that pedigree that has been tested to an internationally accepted standard for working ability,temperament,aptitude,conformation and as importantly for health issues......all this before ever being allowed to breed and only with a dog with the same stamp on its pedigree-ie the partner of the mating having passed exactly the same stringent tests...best to the best gives you a much better chance...... where would you want a dog from?
The dogs health and their work are of paramount importance.
Some I think,see myself on some sort of soapbox,when in fact,this has nothing to do with the matter at hand,I like others,do not enjoy people being told lies and mistruths all for one purpose......to make money out of a dog.
If I was charged £5000 for a cull roe buck.
Even if seller said it was a gold medal......when it was not-you know the difference but what if you do not know the difference.......you get burned for your hard earned.....
Exactly the same on that classified ad.
I am sorry that I broke rules on a classified ad-however,do we just let people buy something which is far from what they believe they are actually getting.Perhaps better to say nothing at all,I don't know,perhaps people do not want to know the differences that are there within breeds......believe me-there are differences.
A dog is sometimes not as it seems.Neither are the owners.
Saying all that-Sikamalc did state something very correct,if that's the price,you'll either want it or not.
This post is meant to give a little insight into information before purchasing any dog.
Seeing as scenthounds seem to be such an emotive issue at the moment,this post is purely to clarify what FCI(Cynologique)means on a pedigree,not much without certain other things.
What I would say though,is make sure you know EXACTLY what you are purchasing.
Do you know the history of the pedigree,is epilepsy prevalent,do you have the expertise required to know this?
How many tracks per year do the sire and dam do,on what game?
Just because you are told a dog barks,does it......ie do you believe everything you are told-I do not,I learn it,study it and then ask other more knowledgable people than I about the perceived subject.Same with a dog purchased abroad-ask others who know the sire and dam,preferably(if you can-difficult though)see them work.
Serious trackers/serious dog men know all about the KBGS and other societies.Especially on the continent.....
Just because a dog has a FCI pedigree does not mean that dog will work nor does it mean its worth a heap of cold hard cash.No matter how many show awards it has achieved.
In Europe,certain breeds have to sit basic tests before being allowed to be shown in shows,please do note the word BASIC.
FCI pedigree is NO guarantee of health status NOR working ability,it will normally look like that breed though.
Saying all that-there is no saying that a FCI papered dog will not be a brilliant worker,free from health issues,however,I like to hedge my bets in my favour and the dogs.
What I would say is these FCI dogs are more expensive here in the UK than they are abroad,why?
Who is making the money?
Often these FCI dogs are more expensive than dogs from societies which care about the working ability foremost,health foremost and conformation foremost.These dogs are proven on harder tests by much much more knowledgable trackers.
These societies actually care about the dogs and their work......not the money to be made from them.
Please note-these societies dogs are also FCI papered.They have a much more important added distinction.....that is the stamp,ISHV,on that FCI pedigree.....that is the guarantee of EVERY dog within that pedigree that has been tested to an internationally accepted standard for working ability,temperament,aptitude,conformation and as importantly for health issues......all this before ever being allowed to breed and only with a dog with the same stamp on its pedigree-ie the partner of the mating having passed exactly the same stringent tests...best to the best gives you a much better chance...... where would you want a dog from?
The dogs health and their work are of paramount importance.
Some I think,see myself on some sort of soapbox,when in fact,this has nothing to do with the matter at hand,I like others,do not enjoy people being told lies and mistruths all for one purpose......to make money out of a dog.
If I was charged £5000 for a cull roe buck.
Even if seller said it was a gold medal......when it was not-you know the difference but what if you do not know the difference.......you get burned for your hard earned.....
Exactly the same on that classified ad.
I am sorry that I broke rules on a classified ad-however,do we just let people buy something which is far from what they believe they are actually getting.Perhaps better to say nothing at all,I don't know,perhaps people do not want to know the differences that are there within breeds......believe me-there are differences.
A dog is sometimes not as it seems.Neither are the owners.
Saying all that-Sikamalc did state something very correct,if that's the price,you'll either want it or not.
This post is meant to give a little insight into information before purchasing any dog.
Seeing as scenthounds seem to be such an emotive issue at the moment,this post is purely to clarify what FCI(Cynologique)means on a pedigree,not much without certain other things.