FAC is this to much

goldypurple

Well-Known Member
Putting in for my FAC soon, and i have put down for the rifles to be

.22lr for target shooting with a club
.223 for target shooting with a club
.243 for deer stalking bought days
.308 for deer stalking bought days and target shooting with a club

Ammo

ive put down

.22 hold 500 buy 250
.223 hold 500 buy 250
.243 expanding hold 250 buy 150
.308 hold 500 buy 250
.308 expanding hold 200 buy 100

so guys what ya reckon


Andy
 
Sounds reasonable enough... don't forget to specify expanding ammunition for the .243 and .308

I put 1000 of each down on my application on the advice of BASC
 
I'd change it a bit....

.22lr buy 1000 hold 1200. You're club shooting with it and if you get a 10/22 or similar even 1000 rounds don't always last for long.

.223, .243 and .308 buy 400 hold 500. If you want to reload your centrefire ammo you can usually only buy bullets by the hundred and you may want more than one kind hence the high number of buy and hold. Don't bother seperating expanding and non expanding and make it clear that a number of your total will be stored as components (expanding missiles count as a round) so from a security point of view you'll not have that many complete rounds that are usable to a potential thief.

Last of all whatever you do, make your purchase linits round off to the nearest 20. Almost all boxes of rifle cartridges are sold in 20s!

EDIT.. It looks like me and Si disagree over the expanding. In my area the police know that if you want to shoot Deer you legally need to have expanding, so you don't have to ask for it. I'm not having a dig at Si though, all forces are different!
 
thanks guys for the input all taken on board.

Forgot to say that all rifles will have moderators

And also if i decided to change the use of the rifle from target to vermin and the like would this be a variation?

as i dont have any permissions as yet.

Andy
 
goldypurple said:
thanks guys for the input all taken on board.

Forgot to say that all rifles will have moderators

And also if i decided to change the use of the rifle from target to vermin and the like would this be a variation?

as i dont have any permissions as yet.

Andy
Don't forget to list the moderators on the FAC too.

As others have said, for any target rifle, go for bigger quantities. 1000 rounds in .22rf will last me about 3 months, and that's just for paper competitions and practice. If you also do reactive target and field shooting targets, you'll use a lot more.

Yes, it's a variation for moving from target to vermin control, unless it's already on your license.

Pippa
 
It looks reasonable to me but be prepared to justify why you need two stalking rifles. They will no doubt ask why you can't make do with just the .308 for both.

Alex
 
true forgot about that lol

id probably say because one is for smaller deer being the 243 and the 308 for larger deer and target shooting, hopefully it would be enough

Andy
 
I'd be tempted to spend the money you have put by for the .243 on scopes for the .223 and .308! Load the .308 with Hornady A-Max and you can shoot both targets and Deer in England. In Scotland the legal definition of the bullet is different and an A-Max isn't legal for Deer (at least that's my interpretation)
 
Hi Andy

as already said doesnt look unreasonable..

If your going to specify the 308 for stalking and target shooting

I asked for a specified amount of expanding then a specified amount for target..

Be lucky :D

Terry
 
Hello Andy

As it will be Norfolk that you will be appling to for your FAC it might be better to put ALLyour rifles down as club use, as if this is your first FAC they may not grant you an open ticket straight away.
This is something you will have to take up with them.

I assume you have already joined a club :confused:

If you need to talk to someone at Norfolk FLD I would advise Jane Betts,
she knows her stuff (most of the time) :)

ATB

Max
 
I don't believe A-max is deer legal anywhere in the UK.
Again, thats just my take on things, not trying to stir it up.

Al the best

Ed
 
Thanks for all the replys

Max, if i do that, by putting them all down for club use, i then wouldnt be able to use them for stalking would i? as they are only intented for club use.

Andy
 
goldypurple said:
Max, if i do that, by putting them all down for club use, i then wouldnt be able to use them for stalking would i? as they are only intented for club use

Here we go again Andy. :rolleyes:

Hopefully you will get what you ask for - provided you can show 'good reason' for a specified use for that particular firearm, and provided it meets any calibre/energy requirements and/or you have membership of a target shooting club.

You apply for target shooting = a condition only allowing target shooting

You apply for deer = a condition allowing deer

You apply for fox = a condition allowing fox

You apply for vermin = a condition allowing vermin

You apply for any of the sporting uses above plus 'and any other lawful quarry' = you might just save yourself a load of hassle.

Didn't you previously say you have access to ground for fox & vermin via a friend? If so you might well have good reason for the .22 & .223 for sporting use anyway.

If you want to try and have your firearms authorised/conditioned with the least amount of restriction, then use this form of wording on your application (where applicable to the calibre/primary use) - for example:

Calibre: .308
Type: Rifle (+moderator)
Reason: Deer Stalking, any other lawful quarry and zeroing. Target shooting.
Where: On land over which I have lawful authority to shoot and approved ranges.

By using this form of wording you will be mirroring the latest ACPO FELWG recommended condition that allows the use of a firearm for 'any lawful quarry' once the 'primary' good reason for possession has been satisfied. Hopefully it will lead the FEO into realising you know something about the Firearms Act adminstration and forestall any rubbish about deer calibres not being suitable for fox, vermin etc.

Check out one of the other threads you've started ;) : http://www.thestalkingdirectory.co.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?p=68533&highlight=#68533
 
Orion said:
Calibre: .308
Type: Rifle (+moderator)
Reason: Deer Stalking, any other lawful quarry and zeroing. Target shooting.
Where: On land over which I have lawful authority to shoot and approved ranges.

I'm starting to wish I'd read that before I sent my forms in.
Would it be worth asking if I can change the wording when the FEO does the home visit?
 
Si said:
Orion said:
Calibre: .308
Type: Rifle (+moderator)
Reason: Deer Stalking, any other lawful quarry and zeroing. Target shooting.
Where: On land over which I have lawful authority to shoot and approved ranges.

I'm starting to wish I'd read that before I sent my forms in.
Would it be worth asking if I can change the wording when the FEO does the home visit?

Shouldn't be a problem to alter it when you have the meeting - provided you can get a dialogue going with him/her. It's more to the point to try and ensure they use that form of wording, ("and any other lawful quarry"), in any condition they might impose on your FAC - it avoids having it too restrictive and for once ACPO seem to have done something constructive, let's just hope the constabularies have taken up on it!

Might be best to download the relevant documentation from the BASC website to back up your request:

http://www.basc.org.uk/en/utilities/document-summary.cfm/docid/3D001190-BA52-43B5-91F72349FD5C6B90 It's on page 3.
 
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