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Thread: Input please: isolated lung lesion.

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    Question Input please: isolated lung lesion.

    I shot this young lady in West Sussex.



    She was behaving normally prior to the shot and was part of a healthy looking group. Earlier in the week I'd counted a group of 74 on a neighbouring piece of land. I have taken countless deer off this land, without significant signs of disease in any.

    At gralloch (in the field), the green offal gave no cause for concern (no lymphadenopathy). However, once home, inspection of the pluck revealed a small lesion, peripherally in the lower lobe of one the lungs. The bronchial nodes were normal, there were no their lesions and no parasites seen. The parietal surface of the thorax was normal.

    Lump at tip of knife blade:



    Away from the carcass (and with a different knife than would be used for butchering, etc) I incised the lesion, revealing a faintly yellow/green material. Part thick liquid, part friable solid. Not typically caseous but nonetheless, not normal.


    Pluck turned over and lesion incised:


    Closer:


    In the absence of other lesions/lymphadenopathy, any thoughts what this might be? Primary pulmonary TB lesion?

    The meat is not destined for public consumption, just me and family. For now, I've kept the pluck and meat double-bagged and separate from other food.

    Thanks for advice/opinions.

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    It's TB until proven otherwise. You have a legal duty to report it.

    Section 161 of the Highways Act 1980 (England & Wales) makes it an offence to discharge a firearm within 50 ft of the centre of a highway with vehicular rights without lawful authority or excuse, if as a result a user of the highway is injured, interrupted or endangered.

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    With the semi-liquid contents, I too would regard that as TB unless otherwise proven. Especially as Sussex is one of the edge areas for TB and fallow can be a sentinel animal.

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    TB was my concern.

    I've e-mailed Chelmsford AHVLA and will call the Reigate branch tomorrow.

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    Any news?

    Section 161 of the Highways Act 1980 (England & Wales) makes it an offence to discharge a firearm within 50 ft of the centre of a highway with vehicular rights without lawful authority or excuse, if as a result a user of the highway is injured, interrupted or endangered.

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    From DEFRA? That quickly?!!!!

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    I had an email back with the number of the duty vet. In fact, when I called it I encountered a menu, one of which was for TB related enquiries. This got me through to a receptionist of sorts. She took details and said the vet would call back. This subsequently happened, though I got the impression the vet herself was not au fait with TB in deer. She said she'd discuss it with a TB expert.


    Upshot is, someone is going to collect material tomorrow-ish. Hopefully they'll feedback the results.


    Do you think I'll receive much in the way of further info/advice from the "ministry"?

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    Communication from DEFRA to us vets is notoriously bad, and I've no experience of reporting TB as a stalker. Bear in mind that it can take 12 weeks to culture M. bovis and that the other diagnostic tests (acid fast stain and PCR) are not very reliable. I'd be interested to know how it turns out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Buchan View Post
    Bear in mind that it can take 12 weeks to culture M. bovis and that the other diagnostic tests (acid fast stain and PCR) are not very reliable.
    And keeping those 9-banded Armadillos in the lab is such a hassle! No. Wait. That's mycobacterium leprae! My mistake.

    I'm not holding my breath.

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    Didn't know that! Cheers

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