Steady on Jag, My Bonneville dos'nt have any oil under it & I have'nt got to carry wire ,pliers & chewing gum anymore!, I suppose thats because the last one was an 05' & the current one is an 08', something to do with copying the japs production methods I think!Jagare said:The reason the second hand Voere is cheap is because they are crap
They did a review in one of our hunting mags and Voere did not do well. Also recall a chap who had one that was complete rubbish.
If they were so good you would see more in the gun shops. The same as the PH and BSA they were so good that they don't make them any more. Just like british motorbikes
http://www.snipersystems.co.uk/id38.htmlJagare said:The reason the second hand Voere is cheap is because they are crap
They did a review in one of our hunting mags and Voere did not do well. Also recall a chap who had one that was complete rubbish.
If they were so good you would see more in the gun shops. The same as the PH and BSA they were so good that they don't make them any more. Just like british motorbikes
Also, since when has it ever followed that just because something isn't made anymore that makes it crap? Of all the best examples of machines, guns or in fact anything that is 'crafted' the best and or nicest examples are often the ones no longer made, generally because of companies trying to cost cut and compete with chinese labour rates, if not actually using them!Jagare said:The same as the PH and BSA they were so good that they don't make them any more. Just like british motorbikes
Keith, is that a matchlock Swede then?sikadog said:Jagare
If BSA rifles are so bad why does my pre 1965 3006 shoot 1 inch groups my pre 1968 270 shoot 1 inch groups and my pre 1672 6.5x55 shoot same hole groups, you would not want to stand in front of one.
Sikadog
Jagare said:PH & BSA were ok when there was nothing else to compere them with. I have a couple of mates who still have PH they only keep them because they were there first rifles but they shoot Sauers for stalking.
I do recall when PH would gaurantee 1" out of the box but they still had crap triggers. I remember when they coverted army rifles into sporters for 12 quid.
It does not matter why they don't make them any more they just were not good enough in the modern world.
Ph and BSA lacked vision, loook what you can do with a triumph if you have a bit of forsight.
Ah, Varberger rifles. A tale of Incompetence. fraud and to many changes of ownership. You should have seen there light weight sporter they made just before they went bankrupt.
I await the new Voere rifle appearing in the gun shops . I'm sure they will fly of the gun rack like hot cakes there Titan model went down well
Yes P-H did this right up into the late 1970's at least and if the triggers were so bad then how come so many competitions were won with the T4's which after all was a converted No4 with a new heavy barrel in 7.62x51mm. In fact the Le Enfield trigger could be worked to give a very crisp let off such as the one on this conversion:-I remember when they coverted army rifles into sporters for 12 quid.
PH & BSA were ok when there was nothing else to compere them with
Jagare said:I await the new Voere rifle appearing in the gun shops . I'm sure they will fly of the gun rack like hot cakes there Titan model went down well
Mauser66 said:http://www.snipersystems.co.uk/id38.htmlJagare said:The reason the second hand Voere is cheap is because they are crap
They did a review in one of our hunting mags and Voere did not do well. Also recall a chap who had one that was complete rubbish.
If they were so good you would see more in the gun shops. The same as the PH and BSA they were so good that they don't make them any more. Just like british motorbikes
http://www.voere.com/
Wooo...talking out of your arse . Take a look at the above links or take a trip to meet Alfons at the Voere factory in the Tirol and come back with the same remarks. Their new rifles are really well engineered semi custom jobs and am considering buying one of the new take downs.
Also PH's and BSA's are absolutely fine esp. after a good bedding job.
Good shooting rifles.
Have seen two dodgy Varbergers though