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Thread: Surrey Shooting of Two Women...NO GOOD NEWS

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    Surrey Shooting of Two Women...NO GOOD NEWS

    This is posted as a news item. I make no comment. But have highlighted areas that I am sure will perhaps impact us or at least give fuel to those who would remove all guns from private ownership.

    A man was tonight charged with murdering a mother and daughter who were shot dead at a dog breeding farm.The bodies of Christine Lee, 66, and her daughter Lucy, 40, were found on Sunday in Farnham, Surrey.
    John Lowe, 82, has been charged with two counts of murder and possession of a firearm with intent to endanger life , Surrey Police said.
    He was remanded in custody and will appear at Guildford Magistrates' Court tomorrow.
    The women were related and known to Mr Lowe.
    Post-mortem examinations showed they died from gunshot wounds.
    Four dogs - three German shepherds and a labrador - were also shot and were removed from the farm, Keepers Cottage Stud, by the RSPCA, which also rescued a number of other animals.
    Police returned a number of shotguns to the property seven months before the shooting.
    A shotgun licence and a number of licensed shotguns were seized from the property last May - but returned two months later.
    The police watchdog, the Independent Police Complaints Commission (IPCC), is now looking at the previous contact Surrey Police had with the parties involved and whether an investigation should follow.
    A police spokesman said: ''Surrey Police had had previous contact with parties involved in this incident and has referred a past contact to the IPCC.
    ''In May 2013 a shotgun licence and a number of licensed shotguns were seized from the address, however the licence and guns were returned in July 2013.
    ''We are in the process of establishing if one of these licensed guns was the firearm recovered on Sunday.

    ''Surrey Police is reviewing the return of the licence to ensure compliance with Home Office guidelines and has referred this matter to the IPCC.''
    Armed police were called to the property at 10am on Sunday.
    The body of one woman was found inside, while the body of the other woman was found outside near animal pens to the back of the house.
    No one else was at the property at the time and a long-barrelled firearm was recovered from the scene.
    The RSPCA confirmed that it had made a number of visits to the property over the last few years, including visits with other agencies.
    A spokesman for the charity said: ''The RSPCA is aware of the situation and working with police to ensure the welfare of the animals involved.
    ''We have already removed one cat and 10 dogs, including a number of puppies, from the property. These include Chihuahuas, pomeranians, shih tzus and an Old English sheepdog-type.
    ''Today we will be removing a small number of exotic birds from the property. At present our staff are caring for a large number of chickens at the property and we have bought in our specialist equine workers to ensure the health and welfare of four horses.
    ''We are currently working with other agencies to make arrangements for their long-term care.''
    Detective Chief Inspector Mark Preston said yesterday that the three people involved ''are all believed to be known to each other and police are not looking for anyone else in connection with the incident''.
    He added: ''It is extremely sad that two people have lost their lives and police family liaison officers are working to support their relatives and friends at this very difficult time.
    ''We are conducting a full and thorough investigation into the circumstances surrounding these two deaths, however, at this time, we believe this is an isolated incident and there is no further risk to the wider community.''
    Last edited by enfieldspares; 25-02-2014 at 22:35.

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    As sad as the situation is I doubt it will make any ripples in the "ban all firearms etc" campaign. If it wasn't a shotgun it have probably been something else...

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    Not good at all and like you have said certainly some ammo for the ban brigade
    However,as has been said,the banning of guns would probably not have prevented this.A few streets away from us there was a murder/suicide a couple of days ago.Doesn't look like any sort of firearm involved.All it takes is someone with intent and something at hand

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