Sudbury Butchers window display

Fetch some popcorn! This ones a cracker!

Here’s a good one for debate!
I was sent this picture by a friend of mine who is also a fellow stalker as well as working in the meat wholesale industry. This was taken this weekend (Sat 12[SUP]th[/SUP] Oct) in a butcher shop in East Anglia. (that’s as much as needs to be said!).
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It clearly shows a Roe Doe hanging with its head and front legs still attached above a load of other meat and produce. When he asked the butcher if he knew what it was, he had no idea that it was wrong!
My mate then asked him what traceability he had and how he knew it was good to enter the food chain. Who had inspected it and declared it good? The butcher replied that he knew it was ok as it was shot by a local farmer on his own land. He then went on to explain that it was definitely ok as he inspected it that morning when he gutted it on the premises as it was still slightly warm! “Still warm?” asked my mate. “Yes, it was shot last night under the lamp,” came the reply! I have no idea what it was shot with at this stage.
Needless to say he has reported this incident to Environmental Health, Police (Wildlife Crimes) and the local FLO. It will be interesting to see what happens!
Sadly, it would appear that neither party know (YET!) that they have done anything wrong! So here’s a couple of questions to get the ball rolling!

1. Is this not a prime example of why anyone shooting deer should have some kind of training or qualification to ensure that they do know what is right or wrong?
2. Is it down to us more responsible stalking types to educate local venison outlets as to what is right or wrong?

What concerns me most, is that I do occasionally sell venison to local outlets (not this one!). What is to stop a local butcher from buying in poached carcasses or even roadkill and then covering their arse with my traceability documentation? There is a wild game guide which was issued by the government but never seemed to make it past the draft stage. It saddens me greatly to see such things as we are constantly trying to build bridges with getting wild venison recognised as a trusted and reliable product. Then it all comes crashing down because of some idiot who claims he didn't know it was wrong. What is definitely wrong, is such people being in possession of a FAC with a condition for deer on it! (Thats' assuming that this is the case here? Probably just as likely that it was a .22 Rimfire!)
Over to you.......
MS

Speechless.

Unbelevable on so many accounts. I wouldn't have thought it would have done his sales any good having Bambi hanging there. It will be good to hear the outcome of this if any.

Fingers crossed something gets done, but all to often in these cases I wouldn't hold my breath.
Wingy

Did your mate get his Autograph by any chance MS he'll soon be Famous...!
Truth be told he's probably not the only one. As already said it'll be an interesting debate !

Looks like a photoshop hoax to me.
The Roe looks very unnatural in relation to the rest of the game and the head is hanging at an awkward, upright angle.
I would bet against it being a Butcher's shop in East Anglia personally

I'm more concerned that the Easter bunny is hanging by the side

Naseby said:

Looks like a photoshop hoax to me.
The Roe looks very unnatural in relation to the rest of the game and the head is hanging at an awkward, upright angle.
I would bet against it being a Butcher's shop in East Anglia personally

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I doubt it was hung up in a larder prior to delivery mate!
How much would you be willing to wager?
MS

I didn't think butchers were allowed to hang game in fur and feather,I know the butcher I supply too isn't everything has to be skinned or plucked
unless your mate actually saw this hanging I would say its a hoax

see it shoot it said:

I didn't think butchers were allowed to hang game in fur and feather,I know the butcher I supply too isn't everything has to be skinned or plucked
unless your mate actually saw this hanging I would say its a hoax

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Where do you think the picture came from?

It looks as if the Deer is actually lifting it's head to see who is taking the photo !

While I agree it's shocking I can't Agree that it's a case for all of us to be forced to do some qualification to shoot deer , I'm very much against forced training for stalking some of us have learned from experianced stalkers and know right from wrong without a bit of paper

Unfortunately MS I have heard of this going on and until it is reported and investigated it will not stop (good on your mate for reporting it). I have not seen this for my own eyes as I deal with the same game dealer or occasionally supply a game butcher with a Deer carcasses, but he insist on them being out of fur.

I have been told by a couple of guys that they have actually take Deer to a place and have never ever been asked to provide a declaration (Fit to enter food chain) tag. When I think about it now, they were not forth coming with the name or location of the place either.

What really amazes me is the fact that in your friends situation the guilty person/persons never even tried to hide the fact that they were lamping the deer.

I do admit that your point about the possibility of the dealers adding your traceability details to an ill gotten carcass has come into my thoughts on a few occasions and I would hate to think that it has been done with mine. I am not saying for one minute that the people that I use have done this but it would not be hard to do as they both have a copy of my DSC certificates and of course numerous tags.

Hi All
Come on lads are you all so naïve to believe every photograph you see and what are the white things hanging to the right of the deer were they shot under the lamp the night before. Some people will believe anything.Taken abroad somewhere I bet

While some maybe prepared to bend the rules, I don't believe its possible for a qualified butcher to be that ignorant of them, think someone is yanking your chain.

Shocking but not surprising I'm sorry to say.

Out of interest where I used to live I asked the three butchers on the high street if they would buy deer carcases, the upshot was they all said yes and none were aware of the law or protocol. If the message is not filtering through to butchers then you can guarantee pubs will be even worse.

The upshot is probably twofold, firstly the move to cut poachers' off at the retail point is failing. Secondly end-consumers are probably eating some badly handled and thus poor quality meat that puts them off, that will mean we are stuck with depressed prices. £1/pound for roe hasn't changed for 25 years..

Having looked at the pic in more detail the deer looks more like it has a Kangaroo's head on it, are you taking the micky MS?

blunderbust said:

Having looked at the pic in more detail the deer looks more like it has a Kangaroo's head on it, are you taking the micky MS?

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It does actually! I have been guilty of the odd 'wind-up' before, especially on April 1st, but sadly this is not one of them.
MS

Monkey Spanker said:

It does actually! I have been guilty of the odd 'wind-up' before, especially on April 1st, but sadly this is not one of them.
MS

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Maybe it's was pay back time for your previous wind ups knowing that it would probably end up on here.
how did they get the roe to lift it's head up???

Monkey Spanker said:

I doubt it was hung up in a larder prior to delivery mate!
How much would you be willing to wager?
MS

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Well....I'd have a sporting tenner with you!