countrryboy it would only be for myself and a few mates to shoot and work the dogs over for now anyway, and if i think the numbers are good enough later on, then id concider other avenues ie! the odd walked up days to earn a few quid for the upkeep of the moore, as far as vermin control goes its been none existant exept for myself and a mate keeping foxes down ( im hard pushed even to see a fox on there now,) i was up there in the winter lamping with 2 keepers and they reconed the heather was really good for the birds and we seen a fair few roosted up in the heather hence the birth of my idea, i have the shooting over the boundry of this place as well and there are numbers of birds on there too so it gives me a fair size of hill to cover, i'll be spending more time up there just to watch and see whats happening so i'll post it up at a later date ...thanx again for your input