• BDS Press Release, "Gypsy Blood"

    British Deer Society condemns filming of callous acts to deer

    The British Deer Society roundly condemns Channel 4ís decision to permit the broadcasting of callous acts to deer as witnessed in its recent programme Gypsy Blood on Thursday 19th January.

    Of particular concern was the filming of the illegal and inhumane killing of a wild Chinese Water Deer with offences committed under the Deer Act (England and Wales) 1991, Regulatory Reform Order (Deer) 2007, Animal Welfare Act 2006, Hunting Act 2004, and Game Meat Legislation 2006.
    The Society has written to Channel 4 expressing revulsion at the filming of an illegal activity which caused pain and distress to a deer in the jaws of a dog, and then showed the animalís subsequent inhumane despatch. A complaint is being lodged with Ofcom concerning the programmeís content. The Society is also formally requesting the police to investigate an illegal act, and writing to Honda sponsors of the programme suggesting they consider their association with such a programme.

    Wildlife crime is deplorable at any time, and is something which the British Deer Society has for a number of years campaigned against. The film footage only served to highlight some of the ways in which such activities are carried out, the cruelty involved and the total disregard for the welfare of wildlife.

    The British Deer Society
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    Comments 17 Comments
    1. Robsmyth's Avatar
      Robsmyth -
      Absolutely disgusting the way these animals behaved and I don't mean the deer!!! But then, really, what else did we expect from these foul people who are a law unto themselves.
    1. JRoe's Avatar
      JRoe -
      Well done BDS

      JR
    1. hogey's Avatar
      hogey -
      Very well done BDS.I bet however nothing will come of it and the scum will get away without any charges brought against them
    1. miffy's Avatar
      miffy -
      Channel 4 will probably pay a barrister to get them off,Plus i wonder how much they got from channel 4 ?
    1. JoeH's Avatar
      JoeH -
      They're a joke, we had them round the back of our work taking copper cable. Had a word with them, phoned the police who explained 'Did they have an Irish accent? yeah that vans got no tax,MOT or insurance - not registered - we've got no chance - happens all the time.' - Allowed to do what they want!!
    1. 1S1K's Avatar
      1S1K -
      All i can say is very well done BDS i am glad that someone is taking up the fight against this total inhumane way those deer where treated.
    1. sika's Avatar
      sika -
      well done BDS but there was more than that law broken,cock fighting,tresspass with a firearm,(so called) bare knuckle fighting,child abuse ect
    1. Axe's Avatar
      Axe -
      100% behind you BDS
    1. AllThingsShooting's Avatar
      AllThingsShooting -
      poaching springs to mind
    1. jwdeer's Avatar
      jwdeer -
      I must say although i have alot of respect for the BDS and what they do for our stalking industry, i do not agree with them making a case against channel 4 for the showing of the above. I have watched the programme and believe, in no way, does it glorify the disgusting acts carried out by totally irresponsable people. In my opinion it only highlights wrong doings carried out by idiots, who think they are exempt from the law (and in most cases, ARE)! Although we as stalkers see every day in our jobs or stalking/hunting/shooting magazines the illegal acts carried out by these type of people, the general public does not. The public SHOULD be shown the reality of what goes on illegally within our countryside, what we have to put up with and deal with on a regular day to day basis! If channel 4 was showing a drug dealing, gang associated programe, nobody would bat an eyelid. I personally can't see the difference with the above!The public does agree that in order to keep a healthy, sustainable heard of deer, they need to be managed as they have no natural predators. The management needs to be done efficient, humane and of course LEGAL!Surely after highlighting the horrendous illegal acts carried out by the idiots on the channel 4 programme, the public will agree to protect our jobs/livelyhood in order to protect our glorious contryside, with us, first in mind taking into account the welfare of any animal??Stick together my fellow stalking friends, if we wern't doing the job we do or participating in countryside management, there would be alot more of these disgusting parasites running around OUR countryside, slipping dogs on anything that moves!!!!!!
    1. Shabz's Avatar
      Shabz -
      Well said jwdeer!! I'm a bit of a noob when it comes to deer management, what was the legal position of the scenes shown before the hunting with dogs act?? Surely it was legal to take deer with dogs before labour started meddling? Did the BDS campaign with the antis to have it made illegal or did they fight against the ban? There seems to be a little bit of hypocrisy there. Maybe a little bit of class war?? Not that I advocate the actions of these people in this program, but if it had been footage of a stag hunt pre ban, done by the prince of Wales, would the BDS be so quick to criticise? Propaganda works both ways people.
    1. Olaf's Avatar
      Olaf -
      Quote Originally Posted by Shabz View Post
      Well said jwdeer!! I'm a bit of a noob when it comes to deer management, what was the legal position of the scenes shown before the hunting with dogs act?? Surely it was legal to take deer with dogs before labour started meddling? Did the BDS campaign with the antis to have it made illegal or did they fight against the ban? There seems to be a little bit of hypocrisy there. Maybe a little bit of class war?? Not that I advocate the actions of these people in this program, but if it had been footage of a stag hunt pre ban, done by the prince of Wales, would the BDS be so quick to criticise? Propaganda works both ways people.
      Its called poaching, thats illegal and always has been. I would suggest that your playing devils advocate is a waste of time too. And, class war ?? No, I dont think so, its only human to despise such despicable behaviour as that shown on this program.
    1. Shabz's Avatar
      Shabz -
      Like a man in orthopaedic shoes, I stand corrected. I always thought it had been legal. A bit ignorant I know, but as I said, I'm a bit of a noob.
    1. Richiepolecat's Avatar
      Richiepolecat -
      Hunting deer with dogs was legal with permission. Done correctly it is humane, people with no experience would think otherwise. 1 experience dog and 1 deer was an effective way of taking deer with little if any damage to the meat. However this is now illegal. As for despicable, a matter of opinion and hands on experience.
    1. berniebear's Avatar
      berniebear -
      the family that coursed the c.w.d are well known to us as their site is just a few miles from us, and I can tell you now the police will take NO ACTION! we have been reporting them for the last 20years for coursing and not once have the police been out as soon as you tell them who they are you get a crime number and end of story. even when the registration for a for wheel drive vehicle was given to the police they said it cant be right as that number plate belongs to a taxi, so its not just coursing but dodgy motors-theft-intimidation and not one of thems got a driving licence so if the police are not interested in that list you have no chance of getting them to do anything about a c.w.d, unfortunately that's the way thing go nowadays its just a shame the r.s.p.c.a and police are scared to touch them but if you set a corvid trap theres a good chance it will be under surveillance, ONE LAW FOR ONE, ONE LAW FOR ANOTHER
    1. ayr2008's Avatar
      ayr2008 -
      The 'ONE LAW FOR ONE, ONE LAW FOR ANOTHER' is increasingly coming under the spotlight and being questioned (ref Rotherham, MP's Cash for Access, etc) although admit there is a long way to go. The unlawful and disgusting acts shown in the programme surely should be taken up by those organisations with the purported sole purpose of preventing cruelty to animals? Why aren't the BDS or BASC referring the perpetrators to the likes of RSPCA, LACS, or even working with them - prodding them into action if necessary? If these organisations won't take on brutal and blatant cases like this (instead of pursuing Mrs Jones for not feeding her goldfish on time), then they should be named and shamed in a wide a forum as possible. It's not as if the evidence isn't there, although the criminals can admittedly be difficult, but not impossible, to pin down.
    1. sauer's Avatar
      sauer -
      So the police won't touch them , if details aren't correct on database , obvious there are irregularities that need following up but won't ?

      Is it possible to legally challenge the area chief constable to get his force to do something about blatant crimes being committed ?!
      Letters to press , MP ?!?!

      That just sounds so bl00dy wrong in all ways....

      Message that sends out is ditch yer job don't bother taxing or not your vehicle & do what hell you want , we wont bother you !!!!
      Bet if you stepped out of line quick enough for something minor be over you like a rash

      The police in this country are no longer a pro active force ,

      Just mop what they can be bothered with

      It's a joke
      Paul