NDORS Speed Awareness Course.

[RED-DOT]

What is this "speed" you all talk about?

 

[Conure]

Think of it as velocity .

 

[nun_hunter]

Something else that most people (and lawmakers/police) do not want to understand is that modern cars have far better features compared to only a few years ago. And the fact that certain cars have superior performance (safety, braking etc) than others, so my 100 mph can often be safer than someone else's 60 mph.

Yes but although your car may have improved the human body and its reaction times haven't improved and with busier lives and more distractions reaction times are often slower. You hit a child at 50mph in a new car or an old car and they're still gonna end up dead.

 

[EdgarF]

Yes but although your car may have improved the human body and its reaction times haven't improved and with busier lives and more distractions reaction times are often slower. You hit a child at 50mph in a new car or an old car and they're still gonna end up dead.

Hit a child at 40 mph - 95% chance of death.
Hit a child at 30 mph - 50% chance of death.
Hit a child at 20 mph - 5% chance of death.

Yes cars are getting much better, but we as a nation of drivers appear to be getting worse. Yesterday morning a car driver negotiating a roundabout from the inside lane of the dual carriageway and intending to go straight ahead, suddenly decided that he was going to take the right exit and veered across my path. If I hadn't anticipated his stupid manoeuvre, I would have hit his vehicle in the side. This morning, the young woman in the queue of traffic behind me spent more time looking down at her text messages than she did observing the road. OK, two pieces of only anecdotal evidence and it might just be me.

Is anyone else out there witnessing a decline in driving standards?

 

[Conure]

Hit a child at 40 mph - 95% chance of death.
Hit a child at 30 mph - 50% chance of death.
Hit a child at 20 mph - 5% chance of death.

Then why do these dummies ride their push bikes against the traffic on the wrong side of the road increasing any collision velocity by doing so?

 

[nun_hunter]

Then why do these dummies ride their push bikes against the traffic on the wrong side of the road increasing any collision velocity by doing so?

Because they're idiots or they're kids and don't understand the consequences.

 

[Pedro]

There are so many reasons for accidents that can have tragic consequences. Speeding is but one of them.

Another is the ability for some people to believe they are the best driver ever and they can go at any speed without increasing the chance of disaster. Well you're all wrong. That person is me. I am invincible in my box with crumple zones, airbags and awesome brakes. Nothing can go wrong and anyway, I'm the only one with the God given right to be on the road. Get the cyclists, motorbikes, buses, HGV's, caravans, horses, and pedestrians off, to give me greater scope to demonstrate my natural ability to overtake you so that at the next set of lights I am three foot in front of you!

 

[FrenchieBoy]

Something else that most people (and lawmakers/police) do not want to understand is that modern cars have far better features compared to only a few years ago. And the fact that certain cars have superior performance (safety, braking etc) than others, so my 100 mph can often be safer than someone else's 60 mph.

Not pointed at you personally or at anyone in particular come to that, but safer for who?

Yes I agree that you as the driver and your passenger might be safer in these big new "safe as houses" or "built like tanks" motor cars with all their new built in safety features. However rather than thinking that way why not sit back and think for a minute or two about this possible/hypothetical scenario - You are driving along when a child unexpectedly runs out from between a couple of parked cars or vans directly in front of you. He/she has just got out of school and is excitedly rushing home for maybe his/her's 7th, 8th or 9th birthday and party thinking about nothing else but that party he or she is about to enjoy - Yes he/she has been taught the Green Cross Code but there is only one thing on that child's mind at that particular moment and that is the party he/she is about to enjoy, all thoughts of the Green Cross Code have gone out of the window.
Now there you have a situation where all of the safety factors that are built in to your modern hyper safe car are unlikely to save that unfortunate child from very serious injury or quite possibly death at just 40 MPH!
Yes, the safety features in cars has improved no end - for the driver and passengers! Your and your passenger(s) might be safe in an accident like that at 40 MPH (Or even an impact at the 60 or 100 MPH that you have mentioned) but even at 40 MPH you would still have to live with the memory of a "tragic accident" like that for the rest of your life - And your new car with all those safety features aren't going to protect you from those sort of memories!

 

[Psyxologos]

Not pointed at you personally or at anyone in particular come to that, but safer for who?

Yes I agree that you as the driver and your passenger might be safer in these big new "safe as houses" or "built like tanks" motor cars with all their new built in safety features. However rather than thinking that way why not sit back and think for a minute or two about this possible/hypothetical scenario - You are driving along when a child unexpectedly runs out from between a couple of parked cars or vans directly in front of you. He/she has just got out of school and is excitedly rushing home for maybe his/her's 7th, 8th or 9th birthday and party thinking about nothing else but that party he or she is about to enjoy - Yes he/she has been taught the Green Cross Code but there is only one thing on that child's mind at that particular moment and that is the party he/she is about to enjoy, all thoughts of the Green Cross Code have gone out of the window.
Now there you have a situation where all of the safety factors that are built in to your modern hyper safe car are unlikely to save that unfortunate child from very serious injury or quite possibly death at just 40 MPH!
Yes, the safety features in cars has improved no end - for the driver and passengers! Your and your passenger(s) might be safe in an accident like that at 40 MPH (Or even an impact at the 60 or 100 MPH that you have mentioned) but even at 40 MPH you would still have to live with the memory of a "tragic accident" like that for the rest of your life - And your new car with all those safety features aren't going to protect you from those sort of memories!

Modern cars, especially the higher end ones can stop at a fraction of the distance needed by cars only a decade older. This is a massive improvement which, in combination to my excellent and very regularly updated driving skills (it is a long story, but I will tell you in person when i see you next) makes me very very confident my car will do as I ask it to do and do it very quickly.

 

[Conure]

Of course the car will only stop as well as the tyres fitted can grip. With the prices charged for many premium brands it is not uncommon to see cheap Asian or Chinese budget names fitted and so negating the better brakes in one simple act of saving the pennies. As one MGCC membr found out in the rain this past summer. Brakes worked fine tyres did not and they slid down the incline all 4 wheels locked into the rear of the car in front.

 

[bewsher500]

Of course the carw ill only stop as well as the tyres fitted can grip. With the prices charged for many premium brands it is not uncommon to see cheap Asian or Chinese budget names fitted and so negating the better brakes in one simple act of saving the pennies. As one MGCC membr found out in the rain thius past summer. Brakes worked fine tyres did not and they slide down the incline all 4 wheels locked into the rear of the car in front.

I pulled a freelander out of some snow a while back
running on tyres so bald they looked like canvas slicks...
now that is amusing stuck parked but not so when he requires them for emergency braking of fast manoeuvring to avoid something

all the best braking technology in the world won't help overcome lack of road friction!

 

[David T]

Definitely a sore point just now. Missed the cut off for being offered the course by 1mph ! 3 points and £100, thank you very much. Then I lost my binoculars. Been some week.

 

[rodp]

Not pointed at you personally or at anyone in particular come to that, but safer for who?

Yes I agree that you as the driver and your passenger might be safer in these big new "safe as houses" or "built like tanks" motor cars with all their new built in safety features. However rather than thinking that way why not sit back and think for a minute or two about this possible/hypothetical scenario - You are driving along when a child unexpectedly runs out from between a couple of parked cars or vans directly in front of you. He/she has just got out of school and is excitedly rushing home for maybe his/her's 7th, 8th or 9th birthday and party thinking about nothing else but that party he or she is about to enjoy - Yes he/she has been taught the Green Cross Code but there is only one thing on that child's mind at that particular moment and that is the party he/she is about to enjoy, all thoughts of the Green Cross Code have gone out of the window.
Now there you have a situation where all of the safety factors that are built in to your modern hyper safe car are unlikely to save that unfortunate child from very serious injury or quite possibly death at just 40 MPH!
Yes, the safety features in cars has improved no end - for the driver and passengers! Your and your passenger(s) might be safe in an accident like that at 40 MPH (Or even an impact at the 60 or 100 MPH that you have mentioned) but even at 40 MPH you would still have to live with the memory of a "tragic accident" like that for the rest of your life - And your new car with all those safety features aren't going to protect you from those sort of memories!

Do they still teach them that ? never seen it round here for donkeys years, nor the ads. I do know the kids up here just walk out the gates and across the road, half of them not looking at all, they just expect the vehicles to stop.

 

[nun_hunter]

Modern cars, especially the higher end ones can stop at a fraction of the distance needed by cars only a decade older. This is a massive improvement which, in combination to my excellent and very regularly updated driving skills (it is a long story, but I will tell you in person when i see you next) makes me very very confident my car will do as I ask it to do and do it very quickly.

What about the clapped out banger running on almost bald tyres who is keeping up with you? Knowing how your driving affects others and how they can (or can't) react to you is is just as important as knowing how good a driver you are. In a modern big German car it's easy (scarily so) to do 150mph in comfort with no effort, it's knowing what the other people on the road are thinking that's the hard part.

 

[scubadog]

Modern cars, especially the higher end ones can stop at a fraction of the distance needed by cars only a decade older. This is a massive improvement which, in combination to my excellent and very regularly updated driving skills (it is a long story, but I will tell you in person when i see you next) makes me very very confident my car will do as I ask it to do and do it very quickly.

Doesnt matter what technology you have...you are the issue!
your slow reactions remain the same regardless of what speed you travel at.
the quicker you are going the more ground you will cover before you even react!

if you are seriously advocating speeding then you are a iDIOT!
and one that doesn't deserve the privilege to drive let alone own and posses a rifle or shotgun!

 

[Conure]

Let's see back in the summer I nearly spun the MG due to entering a curve at too high a velocity. The back strated to slide a slight correction, over correction as it turns out, had her starting to slide the other way so we had a bit of fish tailing going on. As there was nothing coming the other was everything was fine and we never got actually close to the grass on the side of the road way . As she started to slide the first time I did glance down at the speedo and noticed that the needle was a bit north of 80mph .......................................................... and that is of course when I realised that the velocity was a tad high even though we had slowed somewhat.


















Thing is it was all perfetly legal too. Yes we were exceeding the national speed limit














BUT that was a non issue as this little bit of speeding was taking place on a TRACK ........................... pukka race track. So although we were exceeding the national speed limit and on the straights seriously so it was all above board.

There are those out legally on "THE PUBLIC ROADS" that are in fact not safe to be behind the wheel anywhere yet they are allowed to continue driving. They come in all shapes, sizes, colours and creeds! not to mention their employment some are supposedly trained yet some of those are the worst possible offenders out there.

 

[rodp]

Modern cars, especially the higher end ones can stop at a fraction of the distance needed by cars only a decade older. This is a massive improvement which, in combination to my excellent and very regularly updated driving skills (it is a long story, but I will tell you in person when i see you next) makes me very very confident my car will do as I ask it to do and do it very quickly.

There's only a handful of folk in this country who have "excellent and very regularly updated driving skills" and I doubt you're one of them. If you're referring to some sort of driver training as in the police, well, carry on with your wishful thinking.

 

[Psyxologos]

Doesnt matter what technology you have...you are the issue!
your slow reactions remain the same regardless of what speed you travel at.
the quicker you are going the more ground you will cover before you even react!

if you are seriously advocating speeding then you are a iDIOT!
and one that doesn't deserve the privilege to drive let alone own and posses a rifle or shotgun!

Thanks for your kind words. They really reveal a lot about you, your upbringing and your morals. Calling someone an idiot when you clearly do not have the slightest idea about them, but also have misread their post (or were unable to understand its content) is precious.

 

[Psyxologos]

There's only a handful of folk in this country who have "excellent and very regularly updated driving skills" and I doubt you're one of them. If you're referring to some sort of driver training as in the police, well, carry on with your wishful thinking.

You are wrong. But let's leave it at that. It is pointless to go on as I suspect anything more I say will be misread and/or misunderstood and scubabog will send my feo round to confiscate my rifles as I am an inconsiderable idiot, in his books.

 

[scubadog]

Thanks for your kind words. They really reveal a lot about you, your upbringing and your morals. Calling someone an idiot when you clearly do not have the slightest idea about them, but also have misread their post (or were unable to understand its content) is precious.

Actually....I only called you an idiot if you are advocating speeding. A crime that breaks the law and puts everyone's life in danger...not least children.

So....are you the idiot? You certainly are talking like one?

why should you be trusted with a firearm if you can't be trusted to stick to the rules of driving that are there to keep us all safe?