What the "REMAINS" don't want to tell us!

[Brimfire]

Thanks to the original poster for sharing this, my mind to vote out has been set a while now but I do like the last paragraph on the last page
If we weren't in would we be voting to join? ?

If we vote to leave, how many countries with aspirations of joining the EU will want to join, once the Great British Money Bank has packed up and gone home? Perhaps a lot of the poorer newly joined European members might not see any benefit of being part of the E.U if Britain votes out on Thursday. It will be far less expensive to deport the dangerous foreign criminals living in British prisons that we, the taxpayer are currently footing the bill for.

 

[Uncas]

Sorry I can not link this so very interesting and informative,

Brexit Facts Not Fear by Toby Young.
On you-Tube,
How the Inners have been dishonest.

 

[slider]

Quite right

So the Norway model is not for us

The bottom line at least is that, with independence, we can HAVE those meaningful discussions with our neighbors

The French and Germans can bluster all they like but their own big business(es) will force them to do a suitable (pragmatic) trade deal (that is if the EU survives - which I think is doubtful - they are terrified of the consequences of an 'Independence' vote by us).

Fair enough, but remember that EU trade agreements are all part of the bigger picture of World Trade Agreements, Asian trade agreements, South American trade agreements. We will have to comply with all of those separately instead of as part of the EU.

 

[palmer_mike]

Sorry I can not link this so very interesting and informative,

Brexit Facts Not Fear by Toby Young.
On you-Tube,
How the Inners have been dishonest.

Brexit: Facts Not Fear | Coffee House

 

[bewsher500]

This is exactly what I was talking about
Horse**** by the shovel load and we are all eating it:

£350 per week:
Really?
Deduct both the rebate (£4.9bn), which is never actually paid, and the money that is paid but sent back (£5.8bn), from the gross £17.8bn annual “membership fee” and you arrive at a net figure of £7.1bn. This equates to £136m a week, less than 40% of the amount splashed on the battlebus.

Why Vote Leave's £350m weekly EU cost claim is wrong | Politics | The Guardian


None of the for or against campaigners are being truthful

 

[palmer_mike]

This is exactly what I was talking about
Horse**** by the shovel load and we are all eating it:

£350 per week:
Really?
Deduct both the rebate (£4.9bn), which is never actually paid, and the money that is paid but sent back (£5.8bn), from the gross £17.8bn annual “membership fee” and you arrive at a net figure of £7.1bn. This equates to £136m a week, less than 40% of the amount splashed on the battlebus.

Why Vote Leave's £350m weekly EU cost claim is wrong | Politics | The Guardian


None of the for or against campaigners are being truthful

only £136m a week? That's ok then, lol

 

[bewsher500]

only £136m a week? That's ok then, lol

Fair enough but what else is made up?
Do you think we will see any of that £136m if we leave?

Think its made up?
https://www.linkedin.com/in/russellnealedever

its happening all over
Global firms I work for are putting the brakes on running global business arms from London and looking at Asia or the US as the location for the Heads of business and the major hiring

 

[MattJ]

I find it odd that some of the 'Remainiacs' feel that we need the EU to protect us from our own Parliament; personally, I want to be governed by people who can be kicked out if they don't do what the electorate want. Overall, though, I have not been impressed by the quality of public debate on either side; I have heard more intelligent and considered arguments (on both sides) in my local pub.

I think that Simon Heffer summarises the key reasons why the 'Out' campaign has such a broad appeal here:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/201...ng-to-fail-on-thursday-we-can-protect-britai/

Whatever happens,there are going to be some very unhappy people on Friday, who will have to face up to a future that goes against their stated wishes.

 

[slider]

I find it odd that some of the 'Remainiacs' feel that we need the EU to protect us from our own Parliament; personally, I want to be governed by people who can be kicked out if they don't do what the electorate want. Overall, though, I have not been impressed by the quality of public debate on either side; I have heard more intelligent and considered arguments (on both sides) in my local pub.

I think that Simon Heffer summarises the key reasons why the 'Out' campaign has such a broad appeal here:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/201...ng-to-fail-on-thursday-we-can-protect-britai/

Whatever happens,there are going to be some very unhappy people on Friday, who will have to face up to a future that goes against their stated wishes.

Don't you fall into the same category by calling those that have a view different from yours Remainiacs ?

 

[MattJ]

Guilty as charged!!

 

[bewsher500]

I find it odd that some of the 'Remain believers' feel that we need the EU to protect us from our own Parliament;

You shouldn't
I personally believe that the Coalition Government offered a "something for everyone"
The Lib Dems offered a balance to the one dimensional Tory offering

Now that has gone look what we have?
I may have voted for them but I resent some of the things that they now stand for and are trying to railroad through

Saying that I do not find the polar left right position to be as obvious in the current crop of Westminster idiots
In the last 12m we have had some of the most depressing situations in two major referendums and divisive arguments stirring up racist and xenophobic views culminating in violence, criminal damage and murders

Do I believe the EU is perfect no?
Can we improve it? Possibly but less likely from the outside
Will we be better off out of it? No-one not even the experts know that

Am I worried about the prospect? You bet you ass! I can see the consultancy companies and big legal firms rubbing the claw like hands in glee at the prospect of getting in on a multi billion pound restructure of national and international law and trade agreements

you think £136m a week looks like a waste
I promise you the bill for an exit will run into hundreds of billions... and who is going to pay for it?

We are.

 

[bowji john]

I think your right - it is going to cost us Billions to extricate ourselves from the EU

We should never have got ourselves into this position - however here is where we are

The cost of freedom is going to be colossal, but the cost of not getting free of this monster is unimaginable

Cameron says there is no way back - I hope to god he is right - however I don't think it is going to be so easy

Getting a winning 'out vote' will be child's play compared to freeing ourselves of those who would own us

 

[deerpath]

How can you join a club that has not signed off their accounts for ten years ?

 

[rodp]

Fair enough but what else is made up?
Do you think we will see any of that £136m if we leave?

Think its made up?
https://www.linkedin.com/in/russellnealedever

its happening all over
Global firms I work for are putting the brakes on running global business arms from London and looking at Asia or the US as the location for the Heads of business and the major hiring

So when we pull out the "large companies" in France are just going to say "that's it, don't sell any more to the UK" ? Cobblers, they'll just carry on as normal because they need the sales.

More Bremain rubbish.

 

[countrryboy]

This referendum has been almost identical to the scottish 1 with massive ammounts of BS from both sides and some corking scare stories from the remain/No camps althou some very hopefull 'facts' from leave/yes camps.

Referndums seem to be 1 of things things that brings a lot of passion out on both sides and often the worst of folk too.

I think 2 people with oppisate views could read the same fairly well balanced unbaised article/tv report and some how convert it into an iron clad reason for voting the way they believe.

If i'm honest i doubt it will really make that much difference for the vast majority of folk in day to day life, esp after 1-2 yrs. It will not stop he sun from coming up or start WW3.

Also while we have to negotiate trades deals etc, by same token they will be negotiating a deal to sell there stuff here to, UK import more than we export so by rights they should be more corncerned than we are. And hopefully it will push prices of imported stuff up so force more brits to buy home made produce and keep money jobs here, yes things may be slightly dearer but its worth paying the extra

 

[sauer]

Am I the only one who being so cynical thinks that no matter what actual votes take place the result will always be a remain?
I hope it's an out result but you never know what's going on behind closed doors I just think the big business & politicians will,have it rigged .... Yes gives us little people the illusion we are choosing our own futures..... Get this crap out of the way then carry on as usual making the big £££ for themselves


Paul

 

[countrryboy]

Not sure how easy it would be to rig thou? And i'm sure u will get the conspiracy theories come the 25th wot ver way the vote goes.
Was there not rumours/theories that u could see yes votes in the no piles and some votes were lost etc.

Not sure how much faith u put in polls etc but an awful lot of undecided and even leave people will end up ticking the remain box as it is the safe option, any tiny marign of doubt they will get the fear in the booth as there is no doubt voting to leave is a big step into the unkown

 

[Ldc1982]

A vote for BREXIT is not a single event, it is the start of a process. After the vote to leave the government would control when it sends notice of article 50. Then once the EU are notified the 2 years start.

I can see Cameron meeting with the main members states leaders prior to giving article 50 notification, it's in everyone's interest. We'll end up with a Norway type deal. EEA/EFTA membership.

With regard to a previous comment on EU regulation, Most regulation is set at an international level through world bodies and not at EU level. By being part of the EU we give up our seat at these tables (the actual top tables) to an EU representative.

I think people should remember we are not part of the club. we don't have the Euro, we don't have Schengen and we don't want ever closer union, all of which are the 3 main pillars of the club. For the EU to survive it needs to sort the Euro crisis out,
the only way the EU can get itself out of that is through more integration, they'll have to centralise fiscal policy of all the euro countries. The Euro countries already have an inbuilt majority within the EU so can you honestly see the EU looking out for Britain's interests while trying to sort out their failing club?

The way I see it the EU with regard to where it is heading is better off without the UK. It wants to be a fully integrated federalised entity, which in all honesty I could see working on paper, but and its a big but do the people of Europe really want to give up their own identities to an EU super state? only time will tell I guess.

 

[TonyR]

Read an article that as the majority of MP's wanted to Remain in the EU in the event of an exit vote they were considering blocking the exit that apparently they are able to do ? Dont know how accurate this is but certain MP's were named in the article and they were quoted as saying they were considering this option.

 

[bowji john]

Read an article that as the majority of MP's wanted to Remain in the EU in the event of an exit vote they were considering blocking the exit that apparently they are able to do ? Dont know how accurate this is but certain MP's were named in the article and they were quoted as saying they were considering this option.

Little by little the illusion of democracy is being stripped away revealing the true nature of modern politics

However if MPs dared go against the peoples' choice we would be in for an ''interesting summer''