What the "REMAINS" don't want to tell us!

[Ldc1982]

Read an article that as the majority of MP's wanted to Remain in the EU in the event of an exit vote they were considering blocking the exit that apparently they are able to do ? Dont know how accurate this is but certain MP's were named in the article and they were quoted as saying they were considering this option.

I think these articles are talking about blocking exit from the single market and not blocking exit from the EU (political union). This is why we would end up with EFTA/EEA deal.

People need to remember we are voting on a simple question, IN or OUT. what happens after that is up to the government of the time. It would be political suicide in my opinion for MP's to vote to disregard what the majority of the population had voted for.

 

[User00025]

So we are looking at big companies and financial beings thinking of going elsewhere in the world with their set ups and business.
Haven't they been looking at this for years and in many cases moving to Asia etc. Classic is Ford transits to Turkey,and call centres in India,etc,etc,etc. Big bankers have been looking at moving for the past couple of years.
We at present take all EU legislation applied and then onerously increase the liabilities here.
Simple example prior EEC local butchers slaughtered their own meat and sold it, after EEC their slaughterhouses were deemed unfit and all stock had to travel to large abbatoirs for slaughter ( more stress for animals) or they had to spend a fortune upgrading. Just visit a Greek island and have a quick look at their facilities.
Blood going straight into street or on the ground out back etc. We abide by rules others don't and I am sure non of the new intake will either. Of course the various EU countries will still trade with us either by the front or back door, how many will be out of work in Germany and France if they don't. Germany will eventually achieve it's ultimate goal and rule Europe,it's failed to twice but rest assured it's third time lucky for them.
The whole thing comes down to who you want to handle our affairs and if we stay in I will never vote for any party again on the basis that the British people will get all they deserve.

 

[bewsher500]

 

[Nobleman]

Am I the only one who being so cynical thinks that no matter what actual votes take place the result will always be a remain?
I hope it's an out result but you never know what's going on behind closed doors I just think the big business & politicians will,have it rigged .... Yes gives us little people the illusion we are choosing our own futures..... Get this crap out of the way then carry on as usual making the big £££ for themselves

No your not the only one i made that call when it was first announced, money is king and corruption is everywhere put the two together and you can do what you like, either way we have had it the country is already fu#ked beyond repair the old saying stands true - you reap what you sow..!


Paul

No your not the only one - your spot on..!

 

[bowji john]

No your not the only one - your spot on..!

+1

There is no way we will get our freedom back without a fight

 

[JTO]

I think a lot of the IN voters are being conned, just like a lot of us were 40+ years ago, thinking only of their next pay packet, while most OUT voters are thinking of future generations' prospects. I haven't any children, but I'm voting OUT.

 

[limulus]

9 deer stalkers are sat in a room with 19 conservationists discussing the future of a forest that they've managed for the last 30 years. Each stalker pays £1000 a year for the privilege to stalk and, with taking paying guests and selling the carcasses to the local game dealer, they just about break even, sometimes even having a little profit.
A vote is proposed to reduce the number of deer taken per annum to 9 thus dramatically reducing the normal sustained cull figure.
The stalkers would still have to pay their £1000 each year but this would now go to allow the conservationists to plant more young trees to account for the greater deer numbers.
How can the stalkers win this vote?
How can the deer numbers be controlled in a sustainable manner?

Thankfully the estate management intervened and told the conservationists to go forth and multiply.

The above is the UKs position in Europe. No matter the history or its effectiveness the numbers will always dictate the direction no matter how wrong that direction may be.
The EU is like LACS and their baronsdown sanctuary, very noble but it simply can't work without management and it's only when it's too late that that management can see it was a problem of their own making in the first place.

I believe a UK leave vote will be the start of the meltdown of the EU. We'll be blamed but better to be blamed for the breakup of something that's wrong than to continue down this blind path.

The psychological battering will begin again tomorrow as most people's minds will be made up over the next couple of days.

Vote wisely, not just for ourselves, but for the future of this once great country.

 

[long_range_rob]

But if we leave we won't be allowed in the Eurovision Song Contest!

Or is that another plus point?

 

[limulus]

But if we leave we won't be allowed in the Eurovision Song Contest!

Or is that another plus point?

You mean like Russia, Australia and Israel aren't in it?......We'll still be getting no votes for our exceptional songsters....again a bit like the EU.

 

[Highlandsjohn]

I think a lot of the IN voters are being conned, just like a lot of us were 40+ years ago, thinking only of their next pay packet, while most OUT voters are thinking of future generations' prospects. I haven't any children, but I'm voting OUT.

Iirc we, the out voters, got conned in the last one with some labour introduced 40% rule. Wonder what they'll dream up this time. I see the tragic death of Joe Cox is starting to get some milage from some of remain....still out. john

 

[Alantoo]

Iirc we, the out voters, got conned in the last one with some labour introduced 40% rule. Wonder what they'll dream up this time. I see the tragic death of Joe Cox is starting to get some milage from some of remain....still out. john

I think cynicism is certainly not the prerogative of the out camp alone.

If we leave it will be interesting but sad to hear the reasons that will be brought up for not providing the implied new Hospitals every week from the savings. What are the odds on even one hospital out of the fifty two per year promised?

No doubt the implied 'vast savings', that the Brexiteers are promising could be spent on the NHS and Deprived Areas, will be more than swallowed up by the consultants and lawyers brought in to renegotiate all the trade and immigration deals.

(FREE BEER​) New Hospitals tomorrow!

Alan

 

[BRYAN]

Don't worry, they will invent new quango's for the Kinnocks.

 

[Brimfire]

I think cynicism is certainly not the prerogative of the out camp alone.

If we leave it will be interesting but sad to hear the reasons that will be brought up for not providing the implied new Hospitals every week from the savings. What are the odds on even one hospital out of the fifty two per year promised?

No doubt the implied 'vast savings', that the Brexiteers are promising could be spent on the NHS and Deprived Areas, will be more than swallowed up by the consultants and lawyers brought in to renegotiate all the trade and immigration deals.

(FREE BEER​) New Hospitals tomorrow!

Alan

I'm sure there or more lies coming from the remain camp to convince those that are undecided to vote the wrong way.

 

[deeangeo]

I think cynicism is certainly not the prerogative of the out camp alone.

If we leave it will be interesting but sad to hear the reasons that will be brought up for not providing the implied new Hospitals every week from the savings. What are the odds on even one hospital out of the fifty two per year promised?

No doubt the implied 'vast savings', that the Brexiteers are promising could be spent on the NHS and Deprived Areas, will be more than swallowed up by the consultants and lawyers brought in to renegotiate all the trade and immigration deals.

(FREE BEER​) New Hospitals tomorrow! Alan

The thing is...I don't recall anyone on vote leave saying we 'would' build a hospital each week...with the money, only that a hospital 'could' be built for the amount of money paid to Brussels each week.
In any event, the cash invested here in our own UK priorities ... is better than being sent to the even more corrupt politicians in Brussels to fritter away.

 

[Alantoo]

The thing is...I don't recall anyone on vote leave saying we 'would' build a hospital each week...with the money, only that a hospital 'could' be built for the amount of money paid to Brussels each week.
In any event, the cash invested here in our own UK priorities ... is better than being sent to the even more corrupt politicians in Brussels to fritter away.

Ah right...it was just a shallow emotive ploy from the outset then...

So...no more hospitals, no more support for the old industrial areas and lots more spent on consultants resolving all the new deals...whoopeee!

Alan

 

[TonyR]

In a pub in West Yorkshire last night enjoying the real ale,there was a group of people stood nearby one who had probably enjoyed too much real ale and they were talking about the murder of the MP Jo Cox ,this man made the remark that he thought Cameron and Osbourne were behind it to gain votes for the IN campaign ,I was expecting everyone to contradict him but instead they agreed and made remarks like "possible I would not trust that lot" "they are capable of anything" "If not them then some of those spin doctors and civil servants " etc,etc
Obviously impossible but it made me realise how low an opinion people have of politicians and their hangers on even when said in drink ?
I suspect they would have a different opinion if asked this morning (I hope)

Tony

 

[JAYB]

There has been a lot of "truth twisting" number manipulation on both sides, but I have tried to look at the bigger picture. I truly believe the EU is broken beyond economical repair and is destined for the scrapyard. The £350,000,000 a week figure is constantly being refuted but the fact remains it starts off as that and then we get some of it back in grants, and the rest around 9.5billion goes into the EU coffers, allegedly to help the weaker members get stronger but I feel mostly to run the Gravy train railroad company.

People keep pointing out that Norway has to pay into the EU coffers, I believe it is £66,000,000 per YEAR, we pay about five times that per week. We are a great customer of the EU and provide a good income to a good few of them, according to the way that Cameron and company speak the day after the referendum if it is out we will be lucky to see a French onion seller on his bike, utter tosh! The NHS will also grind to halt the day after as every immigrant in the Country will suddenly disappear, more rubbish.

The truth is that our Prime Minister has become an arrogant, patronising, dismissive man who seems to think that absorbing the facts and making our minds up is beyond us, he has been tumbled and does not like it. I have no doubt that there will be a cost to leaving but I am convinced that it will be cheaper than the train wreck that is awaiting the EU down the line. Even the president of the EU Donald whatsisface has said today that the EU needs to look at reform. They can try to bully us as much as they like but we are a big enough economy to fight back and deal the EU one or two telling body blows, and they know it trade deals will be forthcoming, business will not be dictated to by politcians IMHO.

John

 

[bowji john]

I agree JAYB

Besides - you cannot believe a word Donald whatsisface says

Vote in and he and his ilk will return to their original agenda faster than a drunk returns to the bottle

 

[JTO]

A comment from a newspaper website:
If this Country votes to stay in, then all I can honestly say is that I'm glad I'm in the last lap of Life, and won't be around to see the end result. All those who are of a younger age, you had better think long and hard where you put your "X" on Thursday, because "YOU WILL" come to regret it at some point in the future. Do not vote for Ideological reasons, they come and go with the seasons, your Country, but more importantly, your Children and Grandchildren's future in a free and Independent Nation hangs precariously in the balance here, they NEED to be able to dictate their own way in life, not have 28 Countries (and rising) in the EU to determine "THEIR" future for them .

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[Woodsmoke]

Think back to the lies, manipulation, and cynical hearts-and-minds offensive the Westminster Triumvirate peddled in the run-up to the Scottish Independence Referendum. Then cast your mind back to just how quickly their desperate promises turned to contempt, back-peddling and broken promises in the very first hours following the result. The Scottish people were lied-to, duped, and misled on a criminal level by the same shower now raining promises of milk and honey if we stay in the EU, and dire threats of the sky falling in if we leave. And we've continued being lied to, duped, and misled on a criminal level by the very party voted-in to protect Scotland's interests following the Independence Referendum. I don't trust a single one of them, in any party, or either country. . . . Liars, cheats, thieves and self-serving egotists, the lot of them. If they tell you one thing, you can lay money the opposite is true. And I'd bet my eyes that the fact both Cameron and Sturgeon want the same thing is the very best reason for the ordinary man-in-the-street to vote for the exact opposite. THAT premise is what I'm basing my vote upon, for better or for worse