Out of Season Red Stag- Scotland

[centralbeltstalker]

Only just read this post. I suggest you read the thread again. Some peoples certainly do smack of envy. Yes he asked for opinions, but I'm sure he meant opinions written in a civil manner. And whether you or anyone else likes the fact or not, his actions are no ones business but his own. If you dislike that, then tough! It's matters not to anyone.

Best
MJ

cheers Mj

from your answer i assume you fall on the side of shoot on sight.
i have read reread taken a kickin and another but still stand by my view. this will not change on this particular post
after all i am entitled to it as you are.
for every response one way there has been another on the other so i don't stand alone. i didn't see envy in any of the posts and if you do point it out and we will discuss.
maybe when someone doesn't agree with you then that is envy.. is it.
i will be out on Thursday to attempt and add one to my tally for this year.

atb frank

 

[MJ75]

Hi Frank

I'm definately not a member of the "shoot on sight" brigade you refer too. But if you choose to make such rash assumptions then thats very much your business. I've posted on internet forums for over a decade and actively participate in several now, so I've seen these assumptions many times before. But then again, written text is very easily misinterpreted. Theres no tone in the words used you see.

I'm really not sure why you assume I'm envious of someone who disagrees with me. Now that is a very bizarre thing to say? I think Vauxhall make dreadful motors, yet I've met a few Vauxhall owners and they think they're great. I can assure you I'm not jealous of them as an example! lol

Good luck on thursday. I'm up north of the border friday night and so should be out at crack of sparrow saturday morning looking for the stags.

What you need to understand is, the thing I take objection to is people passing judgement on matters that really are none of their business. Unless of course the OP was involved in some illegal activity. He's not. He acted lawfully and so those critical of him don't really have a valid or important opinion do they?

ATB MJ

 

[centralbeltstalker]

Mj,

as stated no tone in text, i was not been condescending to you and i assume the same from you.
the argument was not about facts of law and i am not sure that you got that. the law was correct and act within.
if you have posted for ten years in all matter of forums then you will know that if you are posting a point it can and normally will be agreed with or not.
as for it being anyone's business then if you don't want it to be don't post it.
thats why there are forums for discussion.
my view was and still is that these beasts where no a threat and morally shooting the whole herd (be it three) may have been a bit OTT.
i still stand on that fact and thats my view. thats how i read this thread.

well done to a contractor whom is paid to kill 10/20/30 etc if he is paid to do so, i would if required,
this is not the same and i see that, just as you see what you see.

i wish you also the best of luck for the weekend mate and as i say no harm meant.


pm sent to Mj before this becomes a he says i say

 

[MJ75]

Hi Frank

After over 10 years or so of using forums I know tha things can be agreed on, disagreed with and totally misunderstood.

Everyone is entitled to ther own opinion. For the record my irst post on this thread was not aimed at any one individual. But I do think the OP has received grief he didn't deserve. He came looking for clarification and guidance to protect his own orchard and got grief that is, in my opinion unjustified.

Anyway, I've replied to your PM. Thanks for taking the time to send it.

All the best.
Jared

 

[mullbiker]

Have watched this thread with interest for some time and will not comment further I am at a loss to understand the reason for the first post. I would have expected that anyone involved in deer management would have some idea of the seasons and legislation with regard to this without having to ask but maybe thats just me .
I am not jealous of the original poster and I personally have little regard for those who would carry out the shooting of animals at the request of the land owner for fear of loosing their shooting.
Deer in Scotland have no protection as things stand and while the original poster looks for justification for his actions they never will.

 

[Dan Gliballs]

is this still going!!

its like a game of tennis, back and forth.

 

[centralbeltstalker]

Hi Frank

After over 10 years or so of using forums I know tha things can be agreed on, disagreed with and totally misunderstood.

Everyone is entitled to ther own opinion. For the record my irst post on this thread was not aimed at any one individual. But I do think the OP has received grief he didn't deserve. He came looking for clarification and guidance to protect his own orchard and got grief that is, in my opinion unjustified.

Anyway, I've replied to your PM. Thanks for taking the time to send it.

All the best.
Jared

Pm received many thanks. Pm replied too

 

[centralbeltstalker]

Before

During

After

Would I let Red Deer into my orchard with trees that can give fruit for generations and that they could kill in minutes.

No

lovely animals joy to see them.
do you farm them for meat or petting zoo.


f.

 

[centralbeltstalker]

i dont want to come across as a obstinate git which it appears to show at the moment. i have said my piece on it and keep getting hammered. (probably my fault for replying i know , sorry)

many thanks again
great site.

frank

 

[Riverman]

 

[mick b]

I was led to believe that enclosed land would have to have to be a minimum fence hieght. So if this is reds it would be 2m.

i just got my out of season ticket on enclosed land,enclosed being a wall that was robbed out over 60yrs ago.it dont matter if its a fence that's fallen down or a wall that is only a few inches high.
if it is shown on any map or was once there then it is classed as enclosed.there is no set height requirements on enclosed fences.

 

[griff]

Perhaps if those that have condemned out of season shooting had to pay for the damage incurred, there attitudes might change..
If the FC put a clause in the lease that the leaseholder had to pay for any damage caused by deer I wonder how many of us would take on a lease..
On one of my FC leases the damage that had occurred prior to us taking on the lease had run into tens of thousands of pounds, a cost that most recreational stalkers can ill afford.

So perhaps an A or B type lease in which you have an option of shooting out of season, or a lease in which you shoot in season and you are responsible for the damage.

just a thought



G

 

[DC .270]

I can't believe that this discussion continues.

 

[finnbear270]

I can't believe that this discussion continues.

, I just came back with intention of saying the very same thing!

 

[MJ75]

I reckon it will reach 10 pages before dying a death.

 

[mick b]

at least 12 me thinks