Illegal Hare Coursing and Night time Deer poaching
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Salvo
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Absolute nonsense. Police obviously took a lot of interest in helping you amass your healthy quota of firearms, going by your signature.
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nun_hunter
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Ooh apply ice to the burn.
exmarksman9870
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Hahahaha and still growing.. is the FEO not a civilian force ?
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To go back to the original question, "what can we do about it?" Surely the answer would be, what are we prepared to do about it? As has been said the local constabularies don't have the resources for it and if like me, you live in a very rural area they wouldn't get there in time anyway. I don't lay any blame for that on the police officers themselves, they're too busy dealing with other law breaking idiots closer to home, and who wouldn't? Personally if I had a permission were it was going on I'd make the effort to be as disruptive as I could without risking harm. I think You can sit and wait for someone else to give you a solution or do it yourself, not everyone's choice, but if you're not relying on someone to do something, you can't be disappointed!
Not quite as easy as that,you can try to be disruptive as much as you like.Logs in gateways,chain harrows in gaps,locks on gates and barriers,but it still doesn't stop the poachers with rifles. Cameras can work but all they do is identify the vehicle which won't stand up in court although it may lead one to contemplate some sort of subversive action. I could call in some old forces mates who would be willing to help out but that would bring trouble upon ourselves from the law as they would take the easy option and prosecute us. At present the only deterrent would seem to be long custodial sentences. However that would require the police to catch them in the first instance and they are not likely to have the officers available for full Saturday night sit outs.
Woodsmoke
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None of us are particularly worried. We assumed you're mentoring the remaining 90-odd percent . . . . . .
liongeorge
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Have you not considered what massive advantages TI will give the poachers? No more lamps flicking around etc
There will still be Roe, but not so much meat on them for the sink estate residents/traveling community..Cant argue with the logic of that but its a sad state of affairs when you have to kill wildlife just to stop a few oiks
They already have them, stolen military stuff that is probably better than we can get hold of.
Even with the best gear(and believe me we have it) it still needs law officers to apprehend them with muskets in their possession for a success. If only it were in another country we could soon finalise it, but here they are more likely to reverse the situation. I believe that they wouldn't hesitate to let fly to avoid prosecution.
At least the dog men won't stay to face you if they can help it and even if they do it's only a matter of either trading insults or a bout of fisticuffs.
At least the dog men won't stay to face you if they can help it and even if they do it's only a matter of either trading insults or a bout of fisticuffs.
The question is how do they fit a Thermal Imager to their running dogs so they can see without the lamp on.
Or am I being silly?.
Or am I being silly?.
I think they are used both for spotting quary and spotting anybody creeping up on them. The kit that a local chap has, was smuggled back from Afghanistan it pieces and reassembled back here.
A few years ago, the chairman of the local bench had one of his cows shot with something akin to a .303.
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old man
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FWIW, A few random observations?
Not an easy job to feel their collars for reasons we are all too clear about from the Police perspective?
To have a transient, anonymous lifestyle gives tremendous advantages in staying outside of the law?
The potential costs that could be accrued by local authorities in the caring for associated families of transients so detained are eye watering and complex
Wildlife crime should be reported at every instance to enable the statistics related to it to register in the official crime figures?
Current access, seemingly encouraged by law to excess levels of alcohol enabling disorder have meant this requires intervention in populated areas which are closer and more visible to the general population so attract a higher priority?
Very difficult to independently assess the costs and unseen effort put into unsuccessful prosecutions?
Hunting with dogs, illegal, so get over it and comply?
Where prosecutions are successful, the full gamut of possible sanctions and confiscations should be applied in every single case as a routine?
Our shooting organisations should unite to provide advice, support and "encouragement" to all officials involved in the administration of due process?
Any individuals that feel the policing of Wildlife crime is not up to scratch should consider reporting every offence to obtain a crime number and write respectfully to the local Police and Crime Commissioner?
Maybe?
Not an easy job to feel their collars for reasons we are all too clear about from the Police perspective?
To have a transient, anonymous lifestyle gives tremendous advantages in staying outside of the law?
The potential costs that could be accrued by local authorities in the caring for associated families of transients so detained are eye watering and complex
Wildlife crime should be reported at every instance to enable the statistics related to it to register in the official crime figures?
Current access, seemingly encouraged by law to excess levels of alcohol enabling disorder have meant this requires intervention in populated areas which are closer and more visible to the general population so attract a higher priority?
Very difficult to independently assess the costs and unseen effort put into unsuccessful prosecutions?
Hunting with dogs, illegal, so get over it and comply?
Where prosecutions are successful, the full gamut of possible sanctions and confiscations should be applied in every single case as a routine?
Our shooting organisations should unite to provide advice, support and "encouragement" to all officials involved in the administration of due process?
Any individuals that feel the policing of Wildlife crime is not up to scratch should consider reporting every offence to obtain a crime number and write respectfully to the local Police and Crime Commissioner?
Maybe?
Been there, seen it, done it, several times. Average response times 3 hours. Last time rifle men were out, we were in queue to police for 45 minutes, gave them time to vanish.
Pikeys and low lifes no problems (only for them) if we catch them, rifle men we don't approach. Feelings are they are not from the travelling fraternity but from OOp North Eastern side.
gerarddwatts
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You all got it lucky compared to us we have government departments doing up here
So you'll have evidence that government departments are trespassing to shoot deer at night on other peoples land, and that they use dogs to hunt hares and deer?
old man
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Understood and agreed but we have to keep on otherwise they will definitely win?
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