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What to you recommend?
ATN X-Sight 4K Pro – SIMPLY FANTASTIC
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What to you recommend?
paul o'
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good as in this price range ? name it for us or better sill post your smarter buy on a post by you ? bit of a
4k vs ? yours
4k vs ? yours
Hi Jim xyz, 1Tikka here,
I noticed that you only joined the forum a couple of weeks ago, are you just getting your post count up to advertise, or making a constructive contribution.
Have you actually used an ATN X-Sight 4 K pro? if so how did you find it? and what are your criticisms, and what do you personally recommend and why?
Any first hand informed constructive contributions would be most appreciated.
Just to also add to my second post on this matter. (28-09-2018 09:50)
I have now purchased a double (two) battery length Night Master Venom strike ir, really nice bit of kit, and I love the fact it’s fully and infinitely dimmable, and focusable from broad beam to pencil.
Having tried in the field many other ir’s, including Clive Wards latest, Black Sunnranger Ruby IR, I have found this Night Master superior as it is infinitely dimmable rather than just in three stages. It also appears totally waterproof due to an abundance of “O” ring seals between all removable sections.
Secondly, Night Master has a whole host of spares readily available, and different heads from conventional white and red etc, these changes to the head literally take seconds to change, so you can do it in the field.
So I can use my new ATN in colour 4 K day time mode on a silly fox 20 x magnification, and swap to ir night (black and white) mode 10 x magnification on a lamp shy fox, without changing gun, or re-zeroing the sight.
Yours actually testing out equipment. Just shot two large lamp shy dog foxes, when out last night on farrowing pig unit.
I noticed that you only joined the forum a couple of weeks ago, are you just getting your post count up to advertise, or making a constructive contribution.
Have you actually used an ATN X-Sight 4 K pro? if so how did you find it? and what are your criticisms, and what do you personally recommend and why?
Any first hand informed constructive contributions would be most appreciated.
Just to also add to my second post on this matter. (28-09-2018 09:50)
I have now purchased a double (two) battery length Night Master Venom strike ir, really nice bit of kit, and I love the fact it’s fully and infinitely dimmable, and focusable from broad beam to pencil.
Having tried in the field many other ir’s, including Clive Wards latest, Black Sunnranger Ruby IR, I have found this Night Master superior as it is infinitely dimmable rather than just in three stages. It also appears totally waterproof due to an abundance of “O” ring seals between all removable sections.
Secondly, Night Master has a whole host of spares readily available, and different heads from conventional white and red etc, these changes to the head literally take seconds to change, so you can do it in the field.
So I can use my new ATN in colour 4 K day time mode on a silly fox 20 x magnification, and swap to ir night (black and white) mode 10 x magnification on a lamp shy fox, without changing gun, or re-zeroing the sight.
Yours actually testing out equipment. Just shot two large lamp shy dog foxes, when out last night on farrowing pig unit.
paul o'
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that was clear but I feel not at the right guy , 
Jim xyz there are much smarter buys for your pound than ATN
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The Nightmaster Venom strike is pretty pants to be honest, well totally in comparison to what offerings are available now. So it makes me think your easily impressed. Theres been many many torches touted lately including sniperhogs, wicked lights, PBIRX at the end of a long long list of existing models....this is the basics get one of Ian Sirrels overdriven AS LED pills stick it in a 50mm-67mm torch and its going to beat every other available IR LED torch no sweat and save you a pretty penny, regardless of what the marketing blurb and sycophants say, if you use a rear add on, use a Dragonfly or Solaris SRX laser and it will punch further than the LED offerings again, and allow much higher magnifications than normal even transforming some scopes that do not work well with NV normally due to coatings. You want plenty of IR if your using a 4K and a Venom Strike is not going to cut it.
What I would say is go compare these units before purchasing, if you want a night vision scope the ATN 4K are in no way in the same league as a Drone, not by a country mile, same as the pulsar offerings, they are much more sensitive due to the larger pixels, 4k does not bode well for light gathering, daytime amazing, night well, its a bit gimmicky..
I had the option to stock these, but never bothered.
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There speaks a man who's looked through a LOT of NV kit and used a sh*t load of illuminators.
If he doesn't think they are worth stocking (and some other well known NV sellers are also not stocking them) then I think that tells us a lot about it's NV performance.
Perhaps the OP might like to enlighten us about all his previous NV kit and how it compares with his X Sight 4k Pro
Cheers
Bruce
If he doesn't think they are worth stocking (and some other well known NV sellers are also not stocking them) then I think that tells us a lot about it's NV performance.
Perhaps the OP might like to enlighten us about all his previous NV kit and how it compares with his X Sight 4k Pro
Cheers
Bruce
bobjs
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243 Hunter is right, there was a time whrn the Strike was quite a usefull IR torch, and worked quite well for some of the NV stuff that was around then. However, things have moved on, the Dragonfly is probably as good a you can get, but The Siius XT from Ian Sirrel is very good indeed, and certainly isn't that far away from the Dragonfly and a lot cheaper. Sometimes some of the latest IR torches are almost too good for some NV equipment.
As far as the latest ATN X sigt is concerned I know someone who has used all the X-Sights and he reckons the second one was better than the latest model. To my mind there is far too much "stuff" on them which for practical shooting is unnecessary, but that's a matter of opinion. I just don't think they are that good.
As far as the latest ATN X sigt is concerned I know someone who has used all the X-Sights and he reckons the second one was better than the latest model. To my mind there is far too much "stuff" on them which for practical shooting is unnecessary, but that's a matter of opinion. I just don't think they are that good.
paul o'
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So it begins the SD rot has set in for another OP the Hunt and slag off it has begun ! there must be blood in the water again 
. SO what if the OP rates them it matters not ,we have been informed there are better for the same cost outlay but still we have not been given the Info 
Glad he rates HIS scope he obtained with HIS cash ? you enjoy it feller just tip EM BOLX
. SO what if the OP rates them it matters not ,we have been informed there are better for the same cost outlay but still we have not been given the Info Glad he rates HIS scope he obtained with HIS cash ? you enjoy it feller just tip EM BOLX
The people who have commented ted are some of the best informed people with regard to digital NV & thermal, one of them is building his own thermals and NV and knows what he’s talking about.
No ones slagging the guy off majorly bit providing another opinion and informing everyone else about how bad atn have been previously with both their products and back up / customer service ... for that you can’t blame people warning others off.
I see .243hunter ( Ian) HAS offered alternatives to the guys IR ... as the one mentioned CAN be surpassed easily and cheaper.
Mealiejimmy has always offered explanations freely with regard to technical explanations of pixels and sensors & what each means with regards to better or worse and puts things in layman terms....... I’ve read above plenty explanation about 4K & what it means in relation to NV & being gimmicky
The OP may be happy fine good show..... but people are wary of atn in this country and rightly so going by previous efforts
Paul
No ones slagging the guy off majorly bit providing another opinion and informing everyone else about how bad atn have been previously with both their products and back up / customer service ... for that you can’t blame people warning others off.
I see .243hunter ( Ian) HAS offered alternatives to the guys IR ... as the one mentioned CAN be surpassed easily and cheaper.
Mealiejimmy has always offered explanations freely with regard to technical explanations of pixels and sensors & what each means with regards to better or worse and puts things in layman terms....... I’ve read above plenty explanation about 4K & what it means in relation to NV & being gimmicky
The OP may be happy fine good show..... but people are wary of atn in this country and rightly so going by previous efforts
Paul
FINAL COMMENTS ON MY THREAD - ATN X-Sight 4K Pro – SIMPLY FANTASTIC.
All my comments have simply been in my humble opinion with no commercial or retailer self-interest. I was just trying to help other forum members. I also understand that for some feelings obviously run high. However, surely in member forum we can respectfully disagree, as long as constructive informed comments are posted. I often benefit and always appreciate other comments on many matters hosted on the Stalking Directory..
I will also add, that for me, and again purely subjective, I prefer ir over thermal as I do a lot of fox control on larger farrowing pig units and eye reflection for quick identification is my preference to seeing every pig and piglet with thermal, again my subjective opinion and experience.
In respect of my ir choice, to me size and power aren’t the only criteria to consider. In my experience over illumination is as much a problem as under illumination. Also on size, I prefer a smaller unit for weight and balance, I have found that variable smooth dimming is my main criteria, and I like the fact that on the Venom unit you can use an extension tube, to accommodate two batteries, thus increasing the out-put significantly over a standard venom, but still retaining a smaller diameter unit. So my final comment is that size and power is just as much a curse as blessing compared to smaller and less powerful units. I obviously know and accept that there are more powerful units out there (Iv'e owned used and sold them), but I even found the smaller illuminator that came with the new ATN unit impressive and initially adequate see my first post. I also have the personal additional ir capability of my lamp man on the hand held spotter normally looking at the same fox, hence the dimming of both units simultaneously is of benefit.
Here is my field experience with all the other ir night gear set ups I have used, owned, and purchased. Again this is my opinion that may be of help to some.
Ward Vision 800L. I did not like eye relief issues off a scope back unit, also these units don’t like the high end quality scopes I use. You need to use cheap scopes with very short parallax adjustment. I also found my unit did not like even modest evening mist or fog. I found the manufactures customer service appalling. However on the positive, the unit is compact, well made, and easily attachable once it starts getting dark so you can easily put it on and off your rifle.
Pulsar front end unit. These are heavy and cumbersome, they effect weight and balance of the rifle due to front end weight. I found the image grainy, and the unit awkward to set up, and the holding of Zero suspect. However the unit is well made, and had good manufacture back up. It also converts easily to a pure hand held unit. This was a 75 unit, the new unit just out maybe much improved.
Nite-Site Eagle. Weight, bulk size, and balance all an issue for me. Shooting position felt more like a video game consul. On the .308 it just felt as if you weren’t holding the rifle stable and firm. Not bad on the 17hmr for rabbits though. I found the camera attachment wobbly (however a new bracket has now been produced by night-site) I actually had a three D printer company make me one, which did improve things. You have to assemble these in the field, you can’t simply attach it all and leave on in situ in your hard case. Nite-Site is helpful company always obliging. I did have one of their hand held spotter units with a faulty reo-stat intensity ir control, very expensive to repair, so I cut my losses and purchased a new one, and so I do use successfully their hand held spotter often in tandem with my rifle ir sight unit.
Pulsar Digisight Ultra N355. This is a good bit of kit, night time viewing probably better that the new ATN, but day time viewing no where near as good. Great guarantee, a very worthy rival, some will prefer. This unit does need picatinny rail, whereas you can use your opti-lock rings on the new ATN pro. A little more bulky and less scope like in design. 14 times magnification as opposed to the new ATN unit that is 20. But no real criticism.
However, at the end of the day, for me on balance I like my new ATN. I don’t and won’t use all the features, but some will love the bells and whistles. Day time viewing is very very impressive, one shot set up also simple and impressive, I can use my opti-lock 30m high mounts, and the whole unit including illuminator fits assembled and snugly in my hard-case. Finally I found Cliff at Optical Solutions’ both pre-purchase and post service customer service excellent.
So despite legitimate subjective comments to the contra, I’m still chuffed to bits with my new ATN X-Sight 4K Pro sight, and this despite everything is all I wanted to share with other forum members, and so this is probably my last post on the matter. I have simply said all I wanted to say and hope some of you have found my comments helpful. (ps. please forgive the dyslexic grammar)
All my comments have simply been in my humble opinion with no commercial or retailer self-interest. I was just trying to help other forum members. I also understand that for some feelings obviously run high. However, surely in member forum we can respectfully disagree, as long as constructive informed comments are posted. I often benefit and always appreciate other comments on many matters hosted on the Stalking Directory..
I will also add, that for me, and again purely subjective, I prefer ir over thermal as I do a lot of fox control on larger farrowing pig units and eye reflection for quick identification is my preference to seeing every pig and piglet with thermal, again my subjective opinion and experience.
In respect of my ir choice, to me size and power aren’t the only criteria to consider. In my experience over illumination is as much a problem as under illumination. Also on size, I prefer a smaller unit for weight and balance, I have found that variable smooth dimming is my main criteria, and I like the fact that on the Venom unit you can use an extension tube, to accommodate two batteries, thus increasing the out-put significantly over a standard venom, but still retaining a smaller diameter unit. So my final comment is that size and power is just as much a curse as blessing compared to smaller and less powerful units. I obviously know and accept that there are more powerful units out there (Iv'e owned used and sold them), but I even found the smaller illuminator that came with the new ATN unit impressive and initially adequate see my first post. I also have the personal additional ir capability of my lamp man on the hand held spotter normally looking at the same fox, hence the dimming of both units simultaneously is of benefit.
Here is my field experience with all the other ir night gear set ups I have used, owned, and purchased. Again this is my opinion that may be of help to some.
Ward Vision 800L. I did not like eye relief issues off a scope back unit, also these units don’t like the high end quality scopes I use. You need to use cheap scopes with very short parallax adjustment. I also found my unit did not like even modest evening mist or fog. I found the manufactures customer service appalling. However on the positive, the unit is compact, well made, and easily attachable once it starts getting dark so you can easily put it on and off your rifle.
Pulsar front end unit. These are heavy and cumbersome, they effect weight and balance of the rifle due to front end weight. I found the image grainy, and the unit awkward to set up, and the holding of Zero suspect. However the unit is well made, and had good manufacture back up. It also converts easily to a pure hand held unit. This was a 75 unit, the new unit just out maybe much improved.
Nite-Site Eagle. Weight, bulk size, and balance all an issue for me. Shooting position felt more like a video game consul. On the .308 it just felt as if you weren’t holding the rifle stable and firm. Not bad on the 17hmr for rabbits though. I found the camera attachment wobbly (however a new bracket has now been produced by night-site) I actually had a three D printer company make me one, which did improve things. You have to assemble these in the field, you can’t simply attach it all and leave on in situ in your hard case. Nite-Site is helpful company always obliging. I did have one of their hand held spotter units with a faulty reo-stat intensity ir control, very expensive to repair, so I cut my losses and purchased a new one, and so I do use successfully their hand held spotter often in tandem with my rifle ir sight unit.
Pulsar Digisight Ultra N355. This is a good bit of kit, night time viewing probably better that the new ATN, but day time viewing no where near as good. Great guarantee, a very worthy rival, some will prefer. This unit does need picatinny rail, whereas you can use your opti-lock rings on the new ATN pro. A little more bulky and less scope like in design. 14 times magnification as opposed to the new ATN unit that is 20. But no real criticism.
However, at the end of the day, for me on balance I like my new ATN. I don’t and won’t use all the features, but some will love the bells and whistles. Day time viewing is very very impressive, one shot set up also simple and impressive, I can use my opti-lock 30m high mounts, and the whole unit including illuminator fits assembled and snugly in my hard-case. Finally I found Cliff at Optical Solutions’ both pre-purchase and post service customer service excellent.
So despite legitimate subjective comments to the contra, I’m still chuffed to bits with my new ATN X-Sight 4K Pro sight, and this despite everything is all I wanted to share with other forum members, and so this is probably my last post on the matter. I have simply said all I wanted to say and hope some of you have found my comments helpful. (ps. please forgive the dyslexic grammar)
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With respect
Your comment about lighting up everything with thermal ?!
I don’t think you understand difference between how IR and thermal and how they work ....
You don’t light up anything with thermal the glass in thermal is a special material which allows the specific wavelength of heat to go thru the lenses and be picked up by internal sensors so in effect the thermal is not lighting up anything and cannot be detected by wildlife
On the other hand IR is thrown out there and can be detected by wildlife & eyeshine from a fox or many pigs as you say will be spotted giving many things to check or identify
Paul
Your comment about lighting up everything with thermal ?!
I don’t think you understand difference between how IR and thermal and how they work ....
You don’t light up anything with thermal the glass in thermal is a special material which allows the specific wavelength of heat to go thru the lenses and be picked up by internal sensors so in effect the thermal is not lighting up anything and cannot be detected by wildlife
On the other hand IR is thrown out there and can be detected by wildlife & eyeshine from a fox or many pigs as you say will be spotted giving many things to check or identify
Paul
Hi Paul, I wasn’t going to add anymore, but let me clarify my experience, I find the eye shine from a fox significantly different to a pig, even badgers, sheep, and deer, bounce back is very different for me, the only exception in my experience are Chinese water deer that eye shine very similar to foxes, (and we have an abundance off these). So for me a quick scan with the ir hand-spotter shows up eye shine foxes instantly on the units I shoot, with thermal I have found it a little harder and takes a little longer. So I simply look for eye shine rather than whole bodies, and often face shoot. That’s about it really. I did have the privilege of a demonstration by Cliff of a whole range of Thermal gear and could have purchased anything, but again I chose the new ATN Pro.
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1Tikka,
Thank you for your considered response and for giving us an insight into your previous NV experience and why you have decided that the X Sight 4K pro is suitable for your purposes.
I looked through the X Sight 4 K pro at the British Shooting show in February and, in the very limited circumstances of the show, it looked good.
However, having been bitten badly by the first X Sight, I am very wary of anything that ATN sells and the videos I have seen of the X Sight 4K pro have not been impressive.
However, most NV videos look crap compared to what the user is seeing in real time.
Anyway, enjoy your scope, and, as your experience with it increases, let us know any tips or tricks to get the best out of it.
Cheers
Bruce
Thank you for your considered response and for giving us an insight into your previous NV experience and why you have decided that the X Sight 4K pro is suitable for your purposes.
I looked through the X Sight 4 K pro at the British Shooting show in February and, in the very limited circumstances of the show, it looked good.
However, having been bitten badly by the first X Sight, I am very wary of anything that ATN sells and the videos I have seen of the X Sight 4K pro have not been impressive.
However, most NV videos look crap compared to what the user is seeing in real time.
Anyway, enjoy your scope, and, as your experience with it increases, let us know any tips or tricks to get the best out of it.
Cheers
Bruce
.243Ady
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I think what he was getting at was you really have to take your time using thermal too pick out charlie in a field full of pigs they really do glow bright. But using the spotter with IR you can pick them up very quickly as pigs give off hardly any eye shine and charlie stands out like a sore thumb. After getting my fingers burnt buying the xsight II I wouldn't touch anything made by them again.
Hi .243 Ady,
Let me also say, I too read of the appalling customer service offered by ATN and all the other issues, and you can’t argue with these facts. However I purchased this new model ATN on its own merits first hand only after fully testing it out again first hand in the field against other equipment all in addition to my personal past experience of both competitive equipment and retailer service. Secondly, knowing the integrity of Cliff at Optical solutions I decided to purchase. Optical Solutions offer an instant replacement (On Loan) while any repairs if ever needed are carried out on your faulty equipment. So my decision to purchase ATN was massively influenced by Cliff as my chosen retailer. He could not have been more helpful demonstrating a whole cluster of night gear in the field over all the areas I shoot, of to up to £6k night gear– simply great service. Also having spoke with some of his previous customers they echoed this experience, so I did not buy my ATN blindly or ignorant of all the past legitimate criticisms and concerns. Thanks 1Tikka
Let me also say, I too read of the appalling customer service offered by ATN and all the other issues, and you can’t argue with these facts. However I purchased this new model ATN on its own merits first hand only after fully testing it out again first hand in the field against other equipment all in addition to my personal past experience of both competitive equipment and retailer service. Secondly, knowing the integrity of Cliff at Optical solutions I decided to purchase. Optical Solutions offer an instant replacement (On Loan) while any repairs if ever needed are carried out on your faulty equipment. So my decision to purchase ATN was massively influenced by Cliff as my chosen retailer. He could not have been more helpful demonstrating a whole cluster of night gear in the field over all the areas I shoot, of to up to £6k night gear– simply great service. Also having spoke with some of his previous customers they echoed this experience, so I did not buy my ATN blindly or ignorant of all the past legitimate criticisms and concerns. Thanks 1Tikka
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.243Ady
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Sounds like you'll get good customer service from him anyway if/when it goes wrong.
He also has a good supply of Kentli batteries which I now use in my thermal spotter and rifle scope. I get 3 nights use before I need to charge the spotter and only charge the 2 batteries in my photon xt once a month.
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AND FINALLY
He's even smaller and more ugly than this fox shot earlier on this year.
I’ve come to the conclusion that there are those who actually shoot foxes and those who type and read about shooting foxes, and retailers with self interest.
Yours actually shooting the new ATN, still cuffed to bits with it, who was just trying to help other genuine forum members and who won’t be doing any more initial start off posts on the stalking directory ever again …………..
And they say size does not matter, it does when foxes eat prime Suffolk free range piglets on farrowing units, I've shot foxes all over the UK but for some reason the ones around here are often and constantly big unns !!!!!
316 now in 12 months hence no time left for typing!!!!
He's even smaller and more ugly than this fox shot earlier on this year.
I’ve come to the conclusion that there are those who actually shoot foxes and those who type and read about shooting foxes, and retailers with self interest.
Yours actually shooting the new ATN, still cuffed to bits with it, who was just trying to help other genuine forum members and who won’t be doing any more initial start off posts on the stalking directory ever again …………..
And they say size does not matter, it does when foxes eat prime Suffolk free range piglets on farrowing units, I've shot foxes all over the UK but for some reason the ones around here are often and constantly big unns !!!!!
316 now in 12 months hence no time left for typing!!!!
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