Interesting point, bows being shot unsupported. I wonder what the actual level of accuracy would be within the stalking community with rifles if tested unsupported at say 20 yards?
Might be interesting to have a black dot of doom type test??!!
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Might be interesting to have a black dot of doom type test??!!
howa243
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Never hunted with one and would not choose to do so unless it was the only option. Used hunting bows on occasion so am aware of the effort required to use one effectively.
howa243
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So your conclusion is?
jthyttin
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You could also read what I wrote...
But yes, shots I take with bow are way more accurate than shots I take with rifle. Pure physics etc. EDIT: regarding big game hunting
howa243
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Blimey.
. Can I respectfully suggest more practice? I read what you wrote but as it didnt answer the question I asked for clarification.
John Gryphon
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its in that reply!
howa243
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So a good bowhunter is better than a crap rifle shot?
devon deer stalker
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I have never hunted with a bow, but I would at the drop of a hat!
A few years ago I thought did a 6 week field archery course, at the start I couldn't even hit the target at 30m, by the end not only was I hitting the target I was consistently accurate to have the confidence in hitting a deer in the vitals, and that was with a recurve bow, not a supremely accurate compound bow.
It was when I looked into the cost of a compound bow and the associated field course recognised by the Montana Fish and Wildlife parks that I decided it would be too expensive, so I hunted in Montana with my rifle.
But I have 100% respect for bow hunters. their skill in stalking into a deer within range (no more than 30m in my opinion) is second to none.
It's only when people push the limits of there own skills, be that rifle or bow that things go wrong, both weapons in the right hands are equally lethal.
(BTW Alberta Boy, I have a moderator, but don't use it!
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Richard
A few years ago I thought did a 6 week field archery course, at the start I couldn't even hit the target at 30m, by the end not only was I hitting the target I was consistently accurate to have the confidence in hitting a deer in the vitals, and that was with a recurve bow, not a supremely accurate compound bow.
It was when I looked into the cost of a compound bow and the associated field course recognised by the Montana Fish and Wildlife parks that I decided it would be too expensive, so I hunted in Montana with my rifle.
But I have 100% respect for bow hunters. their skill in stalking into a deer within range (no more than 30m in my opinion) is second to none.
It's only when people push the limits of there own skills, be that rifle or bow that things go wrong, both weapons in the right hands are equally lethal.
(BTW Alberta Boy, I have a moderator, but don't use it!
)Cheers
Richard
howa243
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How would you interpret this then?
Adding to it all now, if you go back to the video of the 'shooter' trying to shoot the red hind well I can say that a good bowman would have had that hind dead right there and of course so would a good rifleman.
Seems reasonable to suggest that he is saying a good rifle shot would have hit it, as would a good archer, but a bad rifle shot would not. He does not say what a bad archer would have done. Maybe poor archers do not exist in which case clearly the discussion is perhaps less relevant.
Apart from the hunting 'ethics' arguments - given what is suggested is the 'lethality' of compound bows etc. I would expect them to fall under section 1 of the Firearms Acts - Section 2 at the least so, 2 things follow perhaps first, how would you propose to control ownership and use (range type of arrow etc )if a bow and 'broadhead' type arrows were approved for use in UK on animals - would any shooting organisation approve/support it ? More likely such weapons would be categorised 'illegal to own and use'.
Would it protect the reputation of other permitted shooting sports - definitely not, I suggest, as many shooters are not convinced that 'bleeding out' animals is the humane way to kill them. See Hilal threads.
For me the argument now is superfluous.
Its not practical and its not sufficiently popular with the overall population so no democratic majority to force change in this country.Therefore the 'humane' argument will never arise - which is perhaps a 'good thing'. Do I think its a good idea for shooters to bemoan the lack of these weapons to kill with in this country - unfortunately I think it would ensure shooters are seen as 'interested just in killing things' so - its 'turkeys voting for Christmas'.
Play with one with inanimate targets
Would it protect the reputation of other permitted shooting sports - definitely not, I suggest, as many shooters are not convinced that 'bleeding out' animals is the humane way to kill them. See Hilal threads.
For me the argument now is superfluous.
Its not practical and its not sufficiently popular with the overall population so no democratic majority to force change in this country.Therefore the 'humane' argument will never arise - which is perhaps a 'good thing'. Do I think its a good idea for shooters to bemoan the lack of these weapons to kill with in this country - unfortunately I think it would ensure shooters are seen as 'interested just in killing things' so - its 'turkeys voting for Christmas'.
Play with one with inanimate targets
It's generally agreed that deer numbers need controlling. What is the most efficient way of doing it?
If there was a clamour to negalise bow hunting, I think there would be accusations that it was not about deer management, but about killing for kicks.
Kes posted his comment while I was composing mine!
If there was a clamour to negalise bow hunting, I think there would be accusations that it was not about deer management, but about killing for kicks.
Kes posted his comment while I was composing mine!
mereside
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You would be surprised how many do this that are from the uk going abroad, you can buy the gear now so why are we not seeing hundreds of wounded animals everywhere?
There are many country’s now allowing bow hunting after being illegal as the studies shown how effective and no less of a humane kill it is, the same as rifle,
either trad bow or compound bow both are as effective.
in law just because you think wounding or poaching will go up is not a case to keep it from becoming Sport here
There are many country’s now allowing bow hunting after being illegal as the studies shown how effective and no less of a humane kill it is, the same as rifle,
either trad bow or compound bow both are as effective.
in law just because you think wounding or poaching will go up is not a case to keep it from becoming Sport here
jthyttin
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Blimey.
Of course I need more practice, both bow and rifle.
But can you honestly claim to place, let's say each and every of five shots, on 6cm bull unsupported with rifle? Twice the distance you intend to shoot animals (supported or unsupported).
Shooting rifle is much easier and consistent than shooting bow. That's why I decide to limit my bow shots very conservatively and train way more. It doesn't mean I'm crap shot with rifle nor that I take questionable shots with rifle (consider myself above average among Finnish hunters but maybe below average among those SD members who actively shoot quarry from sticks).
howa243
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I dont mean to be rude but what is the point of this? You have made up some kind of synthetic benchmark and hope that it in some way validates the argument. If you use a bow over say 30 yards then are you as accurate at 30 yards with a bow as you are with a rifle. If yes, the get off to the range if no, then take the rifle instead.
howa243
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I am not seeing the 162 wounded animals in this research because, I am not there.
One hundred sixty-one bowhunters participated in the NSFIH hunting program during 1989–2006. One hundred and four bowhunters (65%) hit 908 and recovered 746 deer within 24 hours.
I have known a chap for over 50 years, ever since 25yrd smallbore rifle days. He has always gone into any hobby, whether shooting, fishing, photography.... with enthusiasm. When he did a deer qualification test several decades ago, he and Richard Prior were the only ones to pass the shooting test that day. He said he had a go at archery(Target) but found it too easy.
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