ATN X-Sight 4K Pro – SIMPLY FANTASTIC

[mealiejimmy]

Not really. its thermal or light intensifying. ATN night vision is neither as you have to add a light source at night to see, the same as glass optics. light intensifying is a complex conversion of energy particles that occurs within a vacuum tube. An image-intensifier system works by collecting photons through an objective lens, converting them to electrons via a photocathode, increasing the electrical energy with a microchannel plate (MCP), converting the electrical energy back to light using a phosphor screen and presenting the image for viewing through an eyepiece lens.

basically gen 1, 2 and 3 that use a phosphor to intensify the image.
Cameras based vision do not do this so they are not light intensifying, they need a light source just like you do with a lamp. the only gain i have is i can record shots and then switch to NV for fox after. but them any one can put a lamp on top of scope

A digital riflescope with night vision capability is clearly caught by the "or any other special device for night shooting" section of the order.
It doesn't matter if you don't use the NV function on a digital riflescope, the mere fact that the scope has that capability is enough to make it illegal for shooting deer in Scotland
If you have a digital riflescope that doesn't have a night vision capability e.g. an ATN X 4K Buckhunter (only the Pro version does NV) then I believe it would be legal. However, any half decent glass scope will give a better image than any digital scope, so there doesn't seem to be much point - unless you want to record the event in glorious technicolour, and/or have all your pals watch in (almost) real time on their mobile devices.

Cheers

Bruce

 

[activeviii]

A digital riflescope with night vision capability is clearly caught by the "or any other special device for night shooting" section of the order.
It doesn't matter if you don't use the NV function on a digital riflescope, the mere fact that the scope has that capability is enough to make it illegal for shooting deer in Scotland
If you have a digital riflescope that doesn't have a night vision capability e.g. an ATN X 4K Buckhunter (only the Pro version does NV) then I believe it would be legal. However, any half decent glass scope will give a better image than any digital scope, so there doesn't seem to be much point - unless you want to record the event in glorious technicolour, and/or have all your pals watch in (almost) real time on their mobile devices.

Cheers

Bruce

Scotland Bruce,
Im not in scotland, and never will be. lol

 

[rem284]

A digital riflescope with night vision capability is clearly caught by the "or any other special device for night shooting" section of the order.
It doesn't matter if you don't use the NV function on a digital riflescope, the mere fact that the scope has that capability is enough to make it illegal for shooting deer in Scotland
If you have a digital riflescope that doesn't have a night vision capability e.g. an ATN X 4K Buckhunter (only the Pro version does NV) then I believe it would be legal. However, any half decent glass scope will give a better image than any digital scope, so there doesn't seem to be much point - unless you want to record the event in glorious technicolour, and/or have all your pals watch in (almost) real time on their mobile devices.

This is the reason I have held off from buying such a device. Perhaps it is time for the laws(in Scotland) to be updated to take advantage of technology advances. I wouldnt want to use the NV to shoot deer but it would mean you could use your daytime setup to control foxes without the hassle of having a separate dedicated setup or using an addon.

 

[mealiejimmy]

Scotland Bruce,
Im not in scotland, and never will be. lol

You gave your technical interpretation of an order that applies only in Scotland. I simply made the point that I disagree with your interpretation and therefore that a digital riflescope with NV capability would not be legal for shooting deer in Scotland,

Cheers

Bruce

 

[activeviii]

Ok lol.
Scotland, no, you can not use any electronic optic, at the moment, to shoot deer

England and Wales you can, just be careful and time stamp a photo just incase you are pulled for any reason. That way it shows you are in you time limits

 

[simon1979]

Hi all
Are any 4k users having problems the recoil activated recording?
I have checked setting brought new sd card but still won't record?
Any help would be great thank you

Simon

 

[activeviii]

Hi all
Are any 4k users having problems the recoil activated recording?
I have checked setting brought new sd card but still won't record?
Any help would be great thank you

Simon

Yes. It would seam the moderated rifles will not activate it. Just got use to pressing the record button.

 

[simon1979]

Oh, not enough recoil maybe?

Bit disappointing though.
Thank you it's saved me trying to contact atn

 

[activeviii]

Oh, not enough recoil maybe?

Bit disappointing though.
Thank you it's saved me trying to contact atn

I tried on a few rifles and did not work. Even though I was told that an airgun would activate it.
I like the scope. Between this and the pard008 for me. I think I will buy the pard007 next for the add-on for airgun and 22lr

 

[simon1979]

I tried on a few rifles and did not work. Even though I was told that an airgun would activate it.
I like the scope. Between this and the pard008 for me. I think I will buy the pard007 next for the add-on for airgun and 22lr

yeh had it for a few months now, but had a few problems fitting to the sako mounts but all fitted and up and running. Not sure the ir illuminator is powerful enough plus seems to go batteries quick.

still think its a good unit though...so far

 

[activeviii]

I have never bothered with the atn illuminator, funeral also had it that the off switch doesn't turn some off. Turn it off and check it with your mobile phone camera to see if it's glowing still.
I use a T20 940nm torch. Works just fine for me.

 

[mealiejimmy]

What's the maximum range you can safely shoot at with using a 940nm T20 illuminator and an ATN X Sight 4K Pro?

Cheers

Bruce

 

[activeviii]

What's the maximum range you can safely shoot at with using a 940nm T20 illuminator and an ATN X Sight 4K Pro?

Cheers

Bruce

Safely as in seeing what's behind? I know the lay of the land and I use thermal spotter so my 100 yards shots are easy and safe. For me it's more about getting the shot as close as possible so not one to shoot distances

 

[mealiejimmy]

OK, let me rephrase that.
What's the maximum range you can see a rabbit size target well enough to take a shot using the X Sight 4K and a 940nm T20 IR illuminator?

Cheers

Bruce

 

[bobjs]

OK, let me rephrase that.
What's the maximum range you can see a rabbit size target well enough to take a shot using the X Sight 4K and a 940nm T20 IR illuminator?

Cheers

Bruce

don't know about the x5h1t but i'm taking bunnies out to 330 yards with my cheap zero loosing drone FFS and a black sun sunnranger. and have been since day one, best fox this year ( on Saturday night)was 357 yards but it was in a field covered in snow,"i wonder if that made it easier"

had a early x5h1t......never again ill stick with my cruddy drone ?

bob.

 

[mealiejimmy]

Bob,
Thank you for your, as always, insightful comment
However, I'm trying to establish how far a T20 based 940nm LED illuminator can light up a bunny well enough to shoot it.
All my knowledge and experience says "not very far", but I'd like activeviii to tell me what his experience is

Cheers

Bruce

 

[simon1979]

was thinking of using a xsearcher ir as it has the brightness control on it?, should do the job?

 

[bobjs]

Bob,
Thank you for your, as always, insightful comment
However, I'm trying to establish how far a T20 based 940nm LED illuminator can light up a bunny well enough to shoot it.
All my knowledge and experience says "not very far", but I'd like activeviii to tell me what his experience is

Cheers

Bruce

bruce, i think he may be lucky to see a bunny well enough to take the shot past about 130 yards,

 

[mealiejimmy]

My question to activeviii is based on the following
a. Digital scopes are significantly less sensitive to 940nm IR than they are to 850nm IR
b. A T20 is a pretty small illuminator by todays standards and doesn't produce a very tight beam when fully focussed
c. The X Sight 4K Pro has the camera with the smallest pixels of any digital NV scope available, and as we all know, small pixels need a more intense beam of light hitting them to produce a decent signal
Those 3 factors all work against that combo being a very effective NV set up so I'm interested to know exactly how far it would be possible to shoot a rabbit size target with it.

Cheers

Bruce

 

[bobjs]

My question to activeviii is based on the following
a. Digital scopes are significantly less sensitive to 940nm IR than they are to 850nm IR
b. A T20 is a pretty small illuminator by todays standards and doesn't produce a very tight beam when fully focussed
c. The X Sight 4K Pro has the camera with the smallest pixels of any digital NV scope available, and as we all know, small pixels need a more intense beam of light hitting them to produce a decent signal
Those 3 factors all work against that combo being a very effective NV set up so I'm interested to know exactly how far it would be possible to shoot a rabbit size target with it.

Cheers

Bruce

Again Bruce

Yet again sir you are spot on,

IMO he would be very lucky to see the target well enough at the distances mentioned, sadly I would not insult my rifle by placing a x5h1t back on it or in fact use a T20 with any my nv gear even just to try it, why bother,

bob.

I await the answer from Activeviii.