Only if the human race carries on breeding as it has been doing.
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Only if the human race carries on breeding as it has been doing.
Chasey
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Not realy.
You are expecting the imposable and we will end up with the inevitable
Look at Greece for a great example of such idiocy by the populas
Watch Inside Europe 10 years of Turmoil to understand how the EU bent over backward to help Cameron and the UK and we stuck two fingers up at them
Then watch episode 2 to see an example of totally unrealistic expectations of the greek people finally bite them in the arse as AGAIN the EU bend over backwards to try and help.
BBC Two - Inside Europe: Ten Years of Turmoil, Series 1, We Quit
The inside story of how David Cameron tried - and failed - to tackle the Europe question.
Chasey
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Totally agree with the last points but at this time 72% of UK companies who export to the EU are actively investigating setting up in an EU country if a no deel Brexit happens
I was having dinner on Tuesday with a MD / Owner of a company with a 40% share of the UK market in his product, over 3000 employees in the UK and turned over 178 million in the last quarters results. Hes moving operations to the EU zone as his market in Europe is simply more significant to the business. Its a house hold name, you will probably read about it in the news soon.
oowee
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What would you propose, or is that it?
So what, exactly, is impossible?
I had a great conversation with another SD chap today. He said it was illuminating to take stock of where the veg in the supermarkets is sourced. Some pretty exotic locations. Not many of them EU. It was just a small micro vignette of how we seem to trade ok with lots of non-EU places just fine. I realise the food is dearer than it needs to be because of EU "standards" [I can hear commissioner Yossarian explaining how we all get a share], but it still gets here by some miracle. And will do so in the future...
The UK continuing to buy BMWs, prosecco or Gouda is possible. Travelling between nations with minimum friction is possible. It is about the will and the wit to deliver mutually sensible arrangements to allow that to happen. The petulent intransigence of Juncker, Tusk, Barnier et al suggests they are still putting their pomp and the EU project ahead of the people of Europe.
And I am both sad and glad to see that. Sad because a lot of folk are going to have a rougher-than-it-needs-to-be ride for a while because of egos and vainglorious empire building, but happy because the villainy of these unelected despots is now plain for all to see. Brexit was just the first exit...
enfieldspares
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I know that Rees-Mogg make the point that tropical fruit will be cheaper after leaving the EU. Apparently they will be. And indeed, as I've written here before in the Working Mens' Clubs of the Midlands the talk is of little else of the price of kumquats after Brexit. The same Rees-Mogg that is of course said to be exploring some scale of re-locating to Dublin.
However the small additional money that I'll gain through cheaper oranges will be more that lost in the increased taxes we'll have to find to pay benefits to those who will lose their jobs by 2020 as a direct consequence of Brexit if there is a No Deal. And all because Bozo Johnson wants to be Prime Minister just like his Bullingdon pal Cameron was.
But a lot of the veg that we see imported from Egypt, Kenya, Morocco and from outside the EU is because it is seasonal produce that is in season in warmer climes but definitely out of season anywhere in the UK. There's no one in the EU 27 growing baby runner beans in February! And labour costs to harvest UK veg will increase post Brexit. Brits won't pick do the work at any price and our farmers can't afford to mechanise it.
However the small additional money that I'll gain through cheaper oranges will be more that lost in the increased taxes we'll have to find to pay benefits to those who will lose their jobs by 2020 as a direct consequence of Brexit if there is a No Deal. And all because Bozo Johnson wants to be Prime Minister just like his Bullingdon pal Cameron was.
But a lot of the veg that we see imported from Egypt, Kenya, Morocco and from outside the EU is because it is seasonal produce that is in season in warmer climes but definitely out of season anywhere in the UK. There's no one in the EU 27 growing baby runner beans in February! And labour costs to harvest UK veg will increase post Brexit. Brits won't pick do the work at any price and our farmers can't afford to mechanise it.
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Bavarianbrit
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EU Expats pensions may also be frozen like it is with those in Canada etc as a small way to claw back funds to support the island.
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Hornet 6
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Still the same old voices, the mess we are in has little to do with the referendum, but it can be blamed almost 100% on the way our so called government has gone about the move to leave the EU (or rather the way is has tried to stay in the EU in effect, but look as if we have left) the results of the referendum.
You want to blame anyone, blame the government, the government who changed the law so that in the event we voted out, had to do as we asked.
As for a pensions freeze, thats also an easy one, if you stay here you get a full pension, if you move abroad you get less, seems an easy choice to me to me ?
Were it me making that decision it would be a little different.
Neil.
You want to blame anyone, blame the government, the government who changed the law so that in the event we voted out, had to do as we asked.
As for a pensions freeze, thats also an easy one, if you stay here you get a full pension, if you move abroad you get less, seems an easy choice to me to me ?
Were it me making that decision it would be a little different.
Neil.
Cumbrian 1
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Utter utter drivel his company Somerset Capital Management is setting up a new fund in Ireland (they have lots of overseas funds) and to make life simpler it is far easier to have an office for registration and compliance in the country where a company will trade/invest, lots of UK companies have subsidiaries overseas and each will have a registered office in each country they trade.
I would have walked the first week, stood my ground and said "What are you going to do now? Or are things staying the same? You want trade,we want trade,who blinks first". Our politicians and just under half that voted have no guts.
I think my friends in France get their pensions paid into a UK bank and then get it transferred as required.
oowee
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Not sure what that has to do with the discussion of finite world resources and the need to find a sustainable model not based on growth?
The mess we are in was surely predictable, without a plan and proposition. The country voted for this mess so no point Brexiters moaning about it now they knew what they were voting for.
You can do this and risk the exchange rate but state pensions are not indexed linked for certain countries of domicile. As a third country it's conceivable that pensions would not be indexed linked for Europe but I would guess very unlikely with any sort of deal. If it's a private pension it will not matter but it might be worth looking at moving some to Europe under QROPS to hedge the currency risk.
jimmy milnes
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Hang on a minute..... one minute the remainder side want a ''people's vote'' cause we in the leave camp didn't know what we we're voting for.... now ya saying we did !!!!!! You a politician by any chance as you also can't make up your mind
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johnthorneyglatt
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Why is this post number 1537 when the 'New Posts' page says we've reached (and stuck at !) 2K ? - Just asking !
oowee
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Nope. It's Brexiteers constantly saying they knew what they were voting for so presumably they knew this mess was coming. One of the reasons the rest of us voted to stay was because there was no credible proposition on the table. Nearly three years in and still no proposition.
jimmy milnes
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Funnily enough ''or not really funny would be a better term to use'' I did vote leave knowing that all this shambolic fiasco would happen, as neither main stream party wants out from the gravy train they're all dipping they're bread into..
No idea but I do know there will not now be a so-called "peoples vote" as an option to deal with this embarrassing mess. Good news then for Leavers albeit the compromise deal I feel sure May will push over the line does nothing to float my canoe.
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