Lion, Rhino and other species breeding for body parts

Heym SR20

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There is a lot of discussion, quite rightly, on the breeding of animals for body parts for use in Chinese medicine. And also for “canned” hunting where animals and birds are bred, released and the hunted.

Chinese medicine has been practiced for centuries, 1/4 of the worlds population believe in it and it’s not going away. Whilst it does not have the scientific rigour of western medicine, a vast number of western medicines are also based on animal and plant derived compounds. ( and western science is only a 150 year construct).

As regards say Rhinos, I am not sure I understand the issue with building popylulations of Rhino and from time to time darting them and trimming the horn and putting this into the medicinal market. It would develop a healthy reserve population, keep many area in wildish habitat, and collapse the poaching market.

As for big cats - articles today on breeding lions for medicinal use - again if this builds reserve population and takes pressure off wild populations is it really any different to say deer or even cattle farming.

Here in the west we have a narrow view on land management and wildlife developed over centuries. It’s all about management and neatness and should look like England’s green and pleasant land.

Perhaps as a society we need to widen our views and recognise that wild areas are hugely important and can provide a whole host of high value sustainable product - timber, plant and animal products - but not necessarily all from pigs, sheep, cattle and chickens - for all of these we have cleared vast acreages of land and turned them over to producing grass and grains for these animals. Most fish are still wild caught. Many fisheries have collapsed because of over fishing, but that’s a question of management, but fish farming doesn’t seem to be the answer - although in other parts of world carp, tilapia and catfish farming goes alongside rice and other irrigated Agriculture.

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As far as I'm concerned, the vast majority of Chinese 'medicine' is little more than primitive, immoral claptrap with about as much science behind it as any other snake oil. I see your point, but I personally would be perfectly happy to see the entire culture disappear. Colour me racist if you like, but I'm entirely unapologetic in that I consider the entire race to be insular, primitive, immoral, and deeply cynical. I despise any culture that considers it acceptable to have terrapins tethered in tiny plastic bags as keyrings, or have live crabs kept in vending machines. Let alone one that considers an agglutination of hair to be an aphrodisiac, or produces enzymes from human hair to use as an ingredient for breadmaking. And then there's the utterly abysmal track record regarding human rights . . . .
 
There is a lot of discussion, quite rightly, on the breeding of animals for body parts for use in Chinese medicine. And also for “canned” hunting where animals and birds are bred, released and the hunted.

Chinese medicine has been practiced for centuries, 1/4 of the worlds population believe in it and it’s not going away. Whilst it does not have the scientific rigour of western medicine, a vast number of western medicines are also based on animal and plant derived compounds. ( and western science is only a 150 year construct).

As regards say Rhinos, I am not sure I understand the issue with building popylulations of Rhino and from time to time darting them and trimming the horn and putting this into the medicinal market. It would develop a healthy reserve population, keep many area in wildish habitat, and collapse the poaching market.

As for big cats - articles today on breeding lions for medicinal use - again if this builds reserve population and takes pressure off wild populations is it really any different to say deer or even cattle farming.

Here in the west we have a narrow view on land management and wildlife developed over centuries. It’s all about management and neatness and should look like England’s green and pleasant land.

Perhaps as a society we need to widen our views and recognise that wild areas are hugely important and can provide a whole host of high value sustainable product - timber, plant and animal products - but not necessarily all from pigs, sheep, cattle and chickens - for all of these we have cleared vast acreages of land and turned them over to producing grass and grains for these animals. Most fish are still wild caught. Many fisheries have collapsed because of over fishing, but that’s a question of management, but fish farming doesn’t seem to be the answer - although in other parts of world carp, tilapia and catfish farming goes alongside rice and other irrigated Agriculture.

Discuss
Eeeh, no.
 
As far as I'm concerned, the vast majority of Chinese 'medicine' is little more than primitive, immoral claptrap with about as much science behind it as any other snake oil. I see your point, but I personally would be perfectly happy to see the entire culture disappear. Colour me racist if you like, but I'm entirely unapologetic in that I consider the entire race to be insular, primitive, immoral, and deeply cynical. I despise any culture that considers it acceptable to have terrapins tethered in tiny plastic bags as keyrings, or have live crabs kept in vending machines. Let alone one that considers an agglutination of hair to be an aphrodisiac, or produces enzymes from human hair to use as an ingredient for breadmaking. And then there's the utterly abysmal track record regarding human rights . . . .
I find both racism and the Chinese distasteful. Not quite sure how to reconcile my views...
 
I find both racism and the Chinese distasteful

I know what you mean. I struggled for a long time before abandoning PC in favour of being honest with myself. If they decide to stop being so abhorrent, I'll stop disliking them. That goes for anyone, be they white, black, or purple with orange splodges
 
The only thing with legs they don’t eat, is the table and chairs.
Crazy nation that would happily charge a mega fee for the last animal on earth.
 
When the Nazis conducted human experimentation, beyond all ethical and moral red lines, we in the west universally found it abhorrent. In this modern time, if there is a society that I fully expect to cross all moral/ethical lines it is the Communist Chinese. Recent news is that they had conducted gene editing in monkeys, with human genes. I fully expect that the same has been done in reverse.
 
When the Nazis conducted human experimentation, beyond all ethical and moral red lines, we in the west universally found it abhorrent. In this modern time, if there is a society that I fully expect to cross all moral/ethical lines it is the Communist Chinese. Recent news is that they had conducted gene editing in monkeys, with human genes. I fully expect that the same has been done in reverse.
Makes you wonder what your actually getting in your local takeaway
 
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