BASC: here is a template for member advocacy - read and emulate

[zambezi]

No justice from the BBC

Last May, BBC Farming Today broadcast an interview with the British Game Alliance (BGA), a new organisation aiming to stimulate the game meat market and introduce enforceable standards into game shooting.

www.countryside-alliance.org

 

[LuckyEddie]

Ok after years of sitting on the fence I've decided to move away from BASC at the end of my membership year.
What with little or no action on doc's fees; no back up when asking for help with ammo numbers; and then finally learning that some at BASC don't even have to use any of their entitlement to keep their artificially high ammo allowances courtesy of Police Scotland.
Also there never seems to be anything for the common man in their mags, it's all either double barrel names or tweeds, barbours or £ks
Enough is enough
SACS or CA will be getting my money this coming year.

Ed

 

[Benelli m2]

Ok after years of sitting on the fence I've decided to move away from BASC at the end of my membership year.
What with little or no action on doc's fees; no back up when asking for help with ammo numbers; and then finally learning that some at BASC don't even have to use any of their entitlement to keep their artificially high ammo allowances courtesy of Police Scotland.
Also there never seems to be anything for the common man in their mags, it's all either double barrel names or tweeds, barbours or £ks
Enough is enough
SACS or CA will be getting my money this coming year.

Ed

Yep country side alliance for me

 

[Motul1974]

NGO....

 

[Tom270]

CA here last time round

 

[kes]

Sadly it seems to be simple common sense to move on from BASC.

 

[mollydog]

I myself changed to SACS after loosing faith in Basc

 

[rhhudson]

Do the others offer similar insurances like basc do within the membership price?

 

[Chasser]

Do the others offer similar insurances like basc do within the membership price?

Yes, I’m leaving basc after 20 years. Unjustified price hikes and seems CA seem to do a lot more preventative measures countering antis/propaganda!

 

[finnbear270]

Bound to them by syndicate framework.

 

[Rusty Gate]

SACS after BASC took funds from my bank two years running & overdrawn fee the second time! Bank did a charge back as my renewals with other company came from the same account.

I'ts not all bad.... heard they launched the 24hr hotline if you lose the locking wheel nut key for the Range Rover ( another Brutush Great we lost dyring EU).

 

[NullMac]

and then finally learning that some at BASC don't even have to use any of their entitlement to keep their artificially high ammo allowances courtesy of Police Scotland.

Don't understand could you explain pls??

SGA Scottish Gamekeepers Association also a possibility. Was with them when I was in one syndicate. Insurance plus active policy advocacy. Guaranteed governments ear while some of the others may have to make the case for their relevance given there are so many "representing the shooters" ? Dunno.

 

[sh1kar]

Hmmm I might after reading all the BASC post myself move. Looked at CA website and trying to compare insurance cover between the 2 Eg is CA worldwide? Does it cover stalking? anyone done this already and able to post a quick summary?
Are CA on SD - I haven't seen any postings in way BASC people do?
S

 

[slider]

Hmmm I might after reading all the BASC post myself move. Looked at CA website and trying to compare insurance cover between the 2 Eg is CA worldwide? Does it cover stalking? anyone done this already and able to post a quick summary?
Are CA on SD - I haven't seen any postings in way BASC people do?
S

CA, SACS, NGO, etc all include "countryside pursuits" insurance within the membership fee.

I did see a breakdown once that stated the cost of the insurance part of the membership fee was very similar for all orgs at around £19 - which gives an idea of how much they are charging for membership services.

Countryside Alliance Insurance: A quick guide

 

[User00006]

As far as I can tell, BASC is the only mainstream shooting organisation that provides legal fees insurance against an unfair revocation or refusal to renew a certificate.

You are unlikely to see CA (openly) on SD. They don't have a point of contact for specific shooting issues or service (their head of shooting left recently). Not really a shooting org, in my opinion. Their insurance (like NGO) is only "last resort", ie you have to show your other policies - such as household - won't cover you before you can get a claim looked at.

SACS is a possibility if you are in Scotland (where compulsory payment for medical check has been the norm for more than two years).

 

[Red Dragon 2]

I have been a member since WAGBI days and sorry to say think that loyalty was your personal honour which worked both ways, however will be thinking of leaving BASC as no longer need it for syndicate membership and looks as if the CA will get my business in the future.

 

[jimbo1984]

As far as I can tell, BASC is the only mainstream shooting organisation that provides legal fees insurance against an unfair revocation or refusal to renew a certificate.

You are unlikely to see CA (openly) on SD. They don't have a point of contact for specific shooting issues or service (their head of shooting left recently). Not really a shooting org, in my opinion. Their insurance (like NGO) is only "last resort", ie you have to show your other policies - such as household - won't cover you before you can get a claim looked at.

SACS is a possibility if you are in Scotland (where compulsory payment for medical check has been the norm for more than two years).

But what good is that cover if they constantly refuse to act on the members behalf ??

 

[User00006]

You obviously have some personal axe to grind against BASC. I don't. Nor do more than 150,000 members, it seems. But everyone is free to join whichever org they think is does things better. At present, the market leader is BASC. CA is struggling, just now - but perhaps it will do better in the future. Who knows. I have nothing against CA. They do some things well - even if they are not a shooting org. Arguably, they perform a useful function is hoovering up malcontents and providing some form of competition.

I do not defend BASC come what may. We need to keep them on their toes. However, I do know they have taken up legal cases for members. And it was BASC who funded the case that clarified handguns are allowed for humane dispatch, I seem to recall. And I do know BASC insurance has specific cover to make legal challenges to unfair revocations or refusals. (Not sure who makes the actual decision to proceed - the insurer?) Other orgs don't have such cover. That's all I am saying.

 

[jimbo1984]

You obviously have some personal axe to grind against BASC. I don't. Nor do more than 150,000 members, it seems. But everyone is free to join whichever org they think is does things better. At present, the market leader is BASC. CA is struggling. But I have nothing against CA.

I do not defend BASC come what may. However, I do know they have taken up cases for members. And it was BASC who funded the case that clarified handguns are allowed for humane dispatch, I seem to recall. And I do know BASC insurance has specific cover to make legal challenges to unfair revocations or refusals. (Not sure who makes the actual decision to proceed - the insurer?) Other orgs don't have such cover. That's all I am saying.

Sorry but your wrong I was a basc member for many years , the reason I left was thier constant inaction on behalf of thier members , and thier “welcoming “ of all things bad for shooting.....

 

[kes]

You obviously have some personal axe to grind against BASC. I don't. Nor do more than 150,000 members, it seems. But everyone is free to join whichever org they think is does things better. At present, the market leader is BASC. CA is struggling, just now - but perhaps it will do better in the future. Who knows. I have nothing against CA. They do some things well - even if they are not a shooting org. Arguably, they perform a useful function is hoovering up malcontents and providing some form of competition.

I do not defend BASC come what may. We need to keep them on their toes. However, I do know they have taken up legal cases for members. And it was BASC who funded the case that clarified handguns are allowed for humane dispatch, I seem to recall. And I do know BASC insurance has specific cover to make legal challenges to unfair revocations or refusals. (Not sure who makes the actual decision to proceed - the insurer?) Other orgs don't have such cover. That's all I am saying.

I did an assessment of comparisons between BASC and SACS insurance £ years ago), the only OBVIOUS difference I could find was that BASC insurance started from when you arrived at the shooting venue, SACS when you left home to go. That said, who normally checks or compares and thus syndicates take BASC membership for their insurance - good way to recruit.
The legal Insurance is on the balance of probability of winning , less than 50% and its 'in the mist'. Same is true for all other legal insurances, its the assessment of potential success which is critical and in the hands of others.
It is also true that ANY insurer is going to look at your other policies first as, its illegal to claim from but one, surely everyone knows that.
I freely admit I do not currently find BASC appealing - too many mistakes, too little care, supine/inactive where its needed, so I'm for NGO.
In the same way that people dislike BASC (an increasing number I suggest) many people love them, apparently for no obvious reason.
I state my view again - there's no so blind as those who will not see (or are trade members benefiting from the BASC gravy train) - there are many.