Orion
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How is Boris these days?
Who will you vote for?
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How is Boris these days?
ChesterP
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I don't think there are enough Guardian readers (is it just me or are they all cyclists too?) within the UK to prevent a Brexit whitewash at the EU elections, and the Daily Mail I can't take seriously nor have been able to for years...it's just another gossip/celeb rag these days. Now, the Express on the other hand...where else will you go for headlines like "Toblerone found on Mars! or HOTTEST EVER TUESDAY forecast for next week...or "BREXIT BOMBSHELL as Farage Explodes in the European parliament...THEY DIDN'T SEE THAT COMING!!!! (a clean-up crew is arriving next Tuesday after they finish on Mars).
Are there any trustworthy papers/TV stations these days when it comes to genuine un-biased reporting (the BBC we already know are anything but...). Seems you have to glean what you can from across a wide spectrum after doing our own homework and then you never know who has what agenda in the background.
Are there any trustworthy papers/TV stations these days when it comes to genuine un-biased reporting (the BBC we already know are anything but...). Seems you have to glean what you can from across a wide spectrum after doing our own homework and then you never know who has what agenda in the background.
Fake news wasn't a phrase until Mr Trump coined it but there is nothing else these days.
Straightforward reporting died of penury several years ago but the BBC is by far the worst - it has full financial support and doesnt have to make its money, instead it develops its social engineering skills at the behest of .................?
Straightforward reporting died of penury several years ago but the BBC is by far the worst - it has full financial support and doesnt have to make its money, instead it develops its social engineering skills at the behest of .................?
Orion
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Common Purpose have also been active within the organisation.
ChesterP
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I was totally. blissfully ignorant of that...seriously? How on earth can they remain at all impartial then, as to say anything in favour of leaving will be tantamount to biting one of the hands that feeds it?
As to Common Purpose....it seems like that sort of thing has been going on for decades and is insidious in intent. Look no further than Blair for a classic example of who their role model might be.
ChesterP
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+ come back Richard the Lionheart...
You know, tongue in cheek or not, there's a hell of a lot to be said for "moral autocracy"...it trumps democracy every day of the week. The trouble with democracy I see it as two-fold. 1) it relies upon politicians genuinely acting in the best interests of the electorate and their collective intent, and 2) It also relies upon the electorate knowing what the hell they're talking about or getting themselves into. Since neither has been shown to be especially true, a moral autocracy which assumes that we humble ourselves as subject to authoritative rule has a lot going for it, but with the same proviso that the person at the top is genuine and able. It's all pie in the sky ideology but it provokes thought and also shines a light on things as they are needing one heck of a shake up. That's why politics and politicians within the UK presently needs turning on their collective heads. Change is afoot because power corrupts and we have reached the impase where absolute power has corrupted absolutely.
You know, tongue in cheek or not, there's a hell of a lot to be said for "moral autocracy"...it trumps democracy every day of the week. The trouble with democracy I see it as two-fold. 1) it relies upon politicians genuinely acting in the best interests of the electorate and their collective intent, and 2) It also relies upon the electorate knowing what the hell they're talking about or getting themselves into. Since neither has been shown to be especially true, a moral autocracy which assumes that we humble ourselves as subject to authoritative rule has a lot going for it, but with the same proviso that the person at the top is genuine and able. It's all pie in the sky ideology but it provokes thought and also shines a light on things as they are needing one heck of a shake up. That's why politics and politicians within the UK presently needs turning on their collective heads. Change is afoot because power corrupts and we have reached the impase where absolute power has corrupted absolutely.
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Absolutely correct. The EU's subsidy of the BBC is estimated at between three and ten million a year but no one is entirely sure because it is carefully hidden in its accounts.
Common Purpose, it should be remembered, is founded, funded and controlled by George Soros.
walshie
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Nothing trumps Democracy - ever. Democracy has nothing to do with the electorate "knowing what they are talking about"or not. It has to do with more people voting for one thing than did for the other. It's very simple. The politicians are more than happy to be voted in democratically, but choose to ignore it if we vote "the wrong way." Now it's come back to bite them big time and they deserve everything we get.
Don't forget the people at the top have been put their by us voting for them. They are public servants temporarily in that position to implement the will of the people who put them there. May is a megalomaniac and I suspect unhinged. She's trying to be the person who knows best, and look where that's got her.
Letting one person decide what's best for us assumes either A: We are all stupid or B: We live in North Korea.
ChesterP
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...In which case all politicians can be said to be "megalomaniacs" walshie. Democracy, as in the UK model, was never about those that the top doing the "will of the people". It is always about being entrusted to act in the best interests of the nation and the two are not always mutually inclusive. Democracy being "the will of the people" is a naive interpretation of what actually happens. If it were the case, we'd be having a referendum for every major political decision and that never happens.
Letting one person decide was a model that kept the nation relatively united and stable ("relatively" being the operative word) until post reformation. ie, through some of the most divisive, violent and turbulent periods in the history of our nations. How successful it was depending upon both the ability and morality of the person. It is not by any means the worst model....it's just one model that has (infallibly as in "it has been") served us. I am not suggesting that it's something we should return to in this age but our own amoral democracy is corrupted beyond reason presently so something about it must change for the greater good or our society will head in one direction only.
Letting one person decide was a model that kept the nation relatively united and stable ("relatively" being the operative word) until post reformation. ie, through some of the most divisive, violent and turbulent periods in the history of our nations. How successful it was depending upon both the ability and morality of the person. It is not by any means the worst model....it's just one model that has (infallibly as in "it has been") served us. I am not suggesting that it's something we should return to in this age but our own amoral democracy is corrupted beyond reason presently so something about it must change for the greater good or our society will head in one direction only.
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oowee
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As in it's a 'independent charity' with separate auditors, that sub contract work to others that also bring in EU grants then I guess it would not be immediately obvious to them or anyone else exactly how much was received. Having said that for someone looking for a fifth column might quickly spot the warning signs.
deeangeo
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In Great Britain we have what’s called ‘A Representative Democracy’ and when elected to Parliament by their constituents, these representatives act both on behalf of constituents and in the interest of the nation ... not to mention their own views which may differ from their constituents.
However, having held a national referendum on Brexit in 2016, our representatives, MP’s have visited humiliation on our nation, made us a laughing stock in Europe and thoroughly disgraced themselves by having promised the nation to carry out the will of the people (Determined by democratic vote) and failing to do so after they voted to pass article 50.
Our so called ‘Establishment’ together with others who have financial interests in Europe have done everything possible to undermine the course of Brexit and that includes the very MP’s who were supposedly working on behalf of the voting public.
They deserve to be thrown out of office, and sooner rather than later.
However, having held a national referendum on Brexit in 2016, our representatives, MP’s have visited humiliation on our nation, made us a laughing stock in Europe and thoroughly disgraced themselves by having promised the nation to carry out the will of the people (Determined by democratic vote) and failing to do so after they voted to pass article 50.
Our so called ‘Establishment’ together with others who have financial interests in Europe have done everything possible to undermine the course of Brexit and that includes the very MP’s who were supposedly working on behalf of the voting public.
They deserve to be thrown out of office, and sooner rather than later.
oowee
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That would be all of us then.
You don't need to be an adolescent conspiracy theorist to divine that a supposedly "public service" broadcaster which every household in the UK possessed of television receiving equipment is obliged to fund on pain of imprisonment should not be receiving funds from an overseas political organisation, still less so when those funds are deliberately hidden with political favours called in to protect the concealment. And the BBC is not a charity. It is a public body. Nor are the EU's "other grant funding" bribes and subsidies laundered through subcontract media and broadcasting companies with whom the BBC does business. Those organisations may or may not be in receipt also of payments from the EU (which, like the BBC's, let us remember, consist of money taken in part and without democratic mandate from the pockets of UK tax-payers) but that does not alter the fact the the BBC most certainly does receive undisclosed sums directly from EU central funding and has fought successfully (and very great expensive to tax-payers) a public disclosure order to keep the details of those payments secret. If a private commercial company behaved in such a way there would be righteous uproar, public enquiries, parliamentary sub-commitee investigations and the revocation of knighthoods. That a public body does so over the heads of Parliament, the tax paying public and HMRC and gets away with it absolutely scot-free is a scandal beyond parody and an insult to natural justice.
Thank God I do not and will never pay the license fee.
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Oh, and in case you were referring to Common Purpose, that isn't a charity either. It is a secretive anti-democracy supranational organisation that has no official base in any one country, answers to no governments or laws, pays no taxes and is funded and directed by a private billionaire.
jimmy milnes
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Brexit party's funding must be investigated, says Gordon Brown
Former PM is concerned ‘dirty money’ from foreign donors could reach Nigel Farage’s party
amp.theguardian.com
Haha says snow white ''brown''
robert16
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How do you get away with not paying ?
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