Who will you vote for?
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Hornet 6
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Do any of you really think voting for a pro hunting political party in this country is going to make even a tiny difference ?
Hunting, and by the back door, gun ownership via good reason is being eroded every year, what we have lost is never coming back.
We will lose more every year, probably at an increasing rate, this will continue for as long as the population increases.
Any hope we had for leaving the EU in an orderly manner and reclaiming our right to home rule has gone now, and shooting will be one of the
thing that goes to make room for even more immigrants and housing for them. There is no longer any such thing as 'green belt' land, its all
getting built on as and when it suits the government and local councils.
The country I grew up in has gone, there is nothing left that is really recognisable as being the same as it was 50 years ago.
It is certain that nothing has been improved in that time either.
Neil.
Hunting, and by the back door, gun ownership via good reason is being eroded every year, what we have lost is never coming back.
We will lose more every year, probably at an increasing rate, this will continue for as long as the population increases.
Any hope we had for leaving the EU in an orderly manner and reclaiming our right to home rule has gone now, and shooting will be one of the
thing that goes to make room for even more immigrants and housing for them. There is no longer any such thing as 'green belt' land, its all
getting built on as and when it suits the government and local councils.
The country I grew up in has gone, there is nothing left that is really recognisable as being the same as it was 50 years ago.
It is certain that nothing has been improved in that time either.
Neil.
dartmoordog
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Depressing picture Neil, however sadly true.
oowee
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Oh, and in case you were referring to Common Purpose, that isn't a charity either. It is a secretive anti-democracy supranational organisation that has no official base in any one country, answers to no governments or laws, pays no taxes and is funded and directed by a private billionaire.
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I was referring to BBC Media Action formerly the World Service which is a charity funded 5% by the EU with its biggest doner being the Dept for International Development. The BBC public news service is not allowed to receive external money including the EU. The BBC did apply for R&D funding for the development of media services. Exactly what we would expect to see as part of EU benefits.
Common purpose as a company is listed in each of the Countries within which it operates. Given the way it operates it's political influence if any is limited. Many Public bodies buy into it's services which are then delivered locally by members of the community. I have assisted as both a Civil Servant and as a Local Authority employee in both funding local activity, organising and facilitating program's and the delivery of presentations to perticipants. Local delivery would typically be by, senior officers of the Local authority, Health Service, Police, and other public bodies. A small proportion of local funds goes to the organisation for running and upkeep. The agenda, program, and participation is managed and delivered locally with only the structure and and administration provided by the organisation itself. It's role is educational. Encouraging cross organisational engagement at senior level and promoting greater understanding of how organisations fit together.
Oh, and in case you were referring to Common Purpose, that isn't a charity either. It is a secretive anti-democracy supranational organisation that has no official base in any one country, answers to no governments or laws, pays no taxes and is funded and directed by a private billionaire.
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I was referring to BBC Media Action formerly the World Service which is a charity funded 5% by the EU with its biggest doner being the Dept for International Development. The BBC public news service is not allowed to receive external money including the EU. The BBC did apply for R&D funding for the development of media services. Exactly what we would expect to see as part of EU benefits.
Common purpose as a company is listed in each of the Countries within which it operates. Given the way it operates it's political influence if any is limited. Many Public bodies buy into it's services which are then delivered locally by members of the community. I have assisted as both a Civil Servant and as a Local Authority employee in both funding local activity, organising and facilitating program's and the delivery of presentations to perticipants. Local delivery would typically be by, senior officers of the Local authority, Health Service, Police, and other public bodies. A small proportion of local funds goes to the organisation for running and upkeep. The agenda, program, and participation is managed and delivered locally with only the structure and and administration provided by the organisation itself. It's role is educational. Encouraging cross organisational engagement at senior level and promoting greater understanding of how organisations fit together.
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walshie
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Indeed they can. More so the ones who were voted in on one policy yet try to implement another. There are no different models of democracy. It's defined in the dictionary, and it's not a different definition for different countries. Nothing naive about expecting the will of the people to be accepted and implemented. Why bother having a referendum if only one result was going to be accepted? If remain had won, the powers that be would be harping on about democracy forever.
I agree, having a referendum for every decision would be stupid and tedious, but if you have one, you have to abide by the results. Better to not have one at all than do what they did.
Every party said the result was final. Our decision. Even that idiot Cable was extolling the virtues of Brexit until Verhofsted (spelling) decided to fund them and tell him how to think and what to say. They aren't a party, they are EU puppets funded by the EU.
Parties are voted in on their policies. They have a manifesto and voters vote for them based on that manifesto. If they had all been honest in the 2017 election, we would probably have a different government in now.
In some ways Cameron (much as I dislike the weak pathetic man) was more honest then the current lot. He didn't get his way, so said he wasn't the man for the job and stood down. May didn't get her way either, but took it as her job to shaft 17.4 million people.
So no, I don't want one person assuming what I want and what is best for me. I don't want one person thinking I'm an idiot and overruling what I voted for.
ChesterP
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....which is exactly what May is doing and has done since she got into power. Point is, successive governments have acted as autocracies and little that has been achieved came out of any manifesto or pledge to the electorate.
We have a flawed democracy and I'm not so sure that is any better than tyranny presently. Politics would be more palatable had we any decent politicians, grandees with experience, genuine intellect and strong moral compass. We don't...at least not in the running. Ironically a few such people do exist on the back benches.
We are all subservient in some way, shape or form to the nation, as we contribute towards a common good, financially and in other ways. Trouble is, the lines of what is for "the common good" have been blurred and we really have very little say on where our cash is spent.
An autocracy, by the way, doesn't automatically assume that we're all idiots. Like you, I wanted what I voted for and won at the last referendum delivered. Under this democratic government, we have been shown the true hand of the elitist political class. Something needs a radical shake up and politics has to change. We're still not as bad or corrupt as what often gets reported from Washington, but we're headed that way without a shake up.
We have a flawed democracy and I'm not so sure that is any better than tyranny presently. Politics would be more palatable had we any decent politicians, grandees with experience, genuine intellect and strong moral compass. We don't...at least not in the running. Ironically a few such people do exist on the back benches.
We are all subservient in some way, shape or form to the nation, as we contribute towards a common good, financially and in other ways. Trouble is, the lines of what is for "the common good" have been blurred and we really have very little say on where our cash is spent.
An autocracy, by the way, doesn't automatically assume that we're all idiots. Like you, I wanted what I voted for and won at the last referendum delivered. Under this democratic government, we have been shown the true hand of the elitist political class. Something needs a radical shake up and politics has to change. We're still not as bad or corrupt as what often gets reported from Washington, but we're headed that way without a shake up.
Can't see the problem provided they decline Pay-Pal payments in € currency!
Brexit party's funding must be investigated, says Gordon Brown
Former PM is concerned ‘dirty money’ from foreign donors could reach Nigel Farage’s partyamp.theguardian.com
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jimmy milnes
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Well my point was that it's Mr B esquire that's got the gaul to ask for it !!! After all he and Tory Blair got up to lol.... 
It's all a storm in a milkshake.
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jimmy milnes
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Totally agree...
ChesterP
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Well my point was that it's Mr B esquire that's got the gaul to ask for it !!! After all he and Tory Blair got up to lol....
Absolutely. Mr Gordon "lets shed some bullion" Brown..."...and whilst I'm at it, let's shaft the pensioners too". So obviously sour grapes from a "has-been" that was in office with the government that took the nation down, destroying any sense of nationalism or pride in the UK that was left. Oh...then there was the Iraq war....we won't mention the war though....ahem. Brown has no room to talk
Brexit Party. [don't think UKIP can make same impact]
Simple logic:the established parties ignored the referendum result, red and blue as bad as each other, ergo time for change. No manifesto required for the European elections: I KNOW the primary raison d'etre of the Brexit Party, um, it's brexit. It is job #1 in UK politics right now. Which red and blue have conspired to thwart.
If Farage takes 9/12 MEP seats [as polls suggest], the Tories will surely have to pick a non-remainer as their next leader. Whether or not the Brexit Party has a viable/attractive manifesto by the general elections, the path of the Tories will hopefully have been appropriately adjusted. But if the Tories fail to heed the imminent EU results in the same way May ignored the referendum , it is Brexit Party at the general elections too.
Simple logic:the established parties ignored the referendum result, red and blue as bad as each other, ergo time for change. No manifesto required for the European elections: I KNOW the primary raison d'etre of the Brexit Party, um, it's brexit. It is job #1 in UK politics right now. Which red and blue have conspired to thwart.
If Farage takes 9/12 MEP seats [as polls suggest], the Tories will surely have to pick a non-remainer as their next leader. Whether or not the Brexit Party has a viable/attractive manifesto by the general elections, the path of the Tories will hopefully have been appropriately adjusted. But if the Tories fail to heed the imminent EU results in the same way May ignored the referendum , it is Brexit Party at the general elections too.
ChesterP
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Just seen the news. The Electoral Commission is to investigate the Brexit Party following Brown's complaint. It seems that the establishment is doing everything within its power to prevent the Brexit Party from getting off the ground...that is a worrying development over a petty issue, but looking at how protectionist the establishment is, I don't doubt they'll continue to hound Farage. Whilst they're at it, they should look into Labour's funding and that of the Lib Dems. Lots of Euros in their coffers...
jimmy milnes
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Yep totally agree with the above... purely to tick all the equality boxes obviously
Let them hound. People aren't fools. They know what game the establishment are playing. Its a few more votes in the bag for the Brexit Party.
Hornet 6
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Bit late as the postal votes are mostly in now.
Would be undemocratic to remove a party from the voting once people have voted for them
Oh thats right, we don't live in a democracy anymore
Neil.
jimmy milnes
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Don't understand why they shouldn't... I think your missing the point that many people in other European countries are disillusioned with the nanny state and may wish Great Britain to make a successful exit in order to prove to their own country that there is life outside the European union, so may wish to donate
walshie
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Even through the Electoral Commission is 90% remainers, they weren't able to find any discrepancies in the books and have given the Brexit Party the all clear. Apparently they were doing a "routine check like they do with all new parties." Funny they didn't do a routine check on Change UK who are equally new. Politics is corrupt to the core.
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