Upgrade from.243

Shroughaun

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Hi All,
Look for a bit of advice, I have permission on land which is like looking in to a bowl. And typically most shots presented at 3/350 yards at best in this particular area, and that’s not sum things I’m comfortable taking with the .243. Currently using SAKO 100g soft points also. Therefore, I’m thinking of upgrading from .243 to maybe 6.5CM.
Over the last 2 weeks I just been up there assessing and trying to find ways I may be able to get close for the coming season, however it’s a difficult task as it pretty open apart from the last 400 yard down.
 
Not what you want to hear but are you sure there isn't another option? I wouldn't be comfortable regularly taking shots at 350 yards with any caliber or bullet weight.
- Highseat or hide that you can crawl into early or whilst dark and ambush?
- Get a friend to move deer slowly towards you.
- mow or cut a path that you can crawl down
 
Not what you want to hear but are you sure there isn't another option? I wouldn't be comfortable regularly taking shots at 350 yards with any caliber or bullet weight.
- Highseat or hide that you can crawl into early or whilst dark and ambush?
- Get a friend to move deer slowly towards you.
- mow or cut a path that you can crawl down

Yes those are options I have been considering over the last few week while up there assessing the place. It’s something I will keep doing over the next few months also.
I didn’t take a number of deer up there last season for the reason you have mentioned.
I suppose my real question was would the 6.5CM allow me that extra 100 to 150 yard which I was hesitant to take previously.
 
Yes those are options I have been considering over the last few week while up there assessing the place. It’s something I will keep doing over the next few months also.
I didn’t take a number of deer up there last season for the reason you have mentioned.
I suppose my real question was would the 6.5CM allow me that extra 100 to 150 yard which I was hesitant to take previously.

In the end it comes down to the driver, that is to say you.

The Creed will deliver a slight increase in punch at that range, but it will still be dependent on you putting it in the right place.

Shoot them correctly with either at that range and they will drop, shoot them badly with either at that range and you will still make a mess of it. Please don't fall into the trap of assuming "bigger clout automatically means much more leniency at range", more energy is only good insomuch as it is applied in the right place...
 
As some of the above have mentioned, there's nothing about a bigger calibre that will instantly solve your problem. The 243 will happily kill effectively at 300yds plus if you want it to. This is by no means a dig, but do you practice regularly already at those sort of ranges? is there something about your 243 performance that you aren't happy with accuracy wise? what sort of grouping do you get currently at 100 yds under ideal conditions? ie no mental pressure, little wind, solid rest etc.
It may be that theres things you can do to improve accuracy with your 243 that will build your confidence, most importantly is practice.
 
I'm not suggesting you don't get a second calibre, but I would suggest that it secondary, to working out how to get your average shot distance, below half what you're suggesting ! For most mere mortals, 350yds off sticks, is a pretty long shot !

Post some pictures, showing the terrain. A stand alone high seat. or better still, a high stand you can cover 360 deg', located in the bowl, sounds far more productive ?

Plus a new rifle, of course !
 
Thanks for all the good advice.
In terms of taking a precise shot which ends in good shot placement, I would be quite confident in my own ability, its more the stopping power at the end I alway seem to question.
I would happily take this shot on smaller quarry. But for some reason with larger quarry such as Sika, I will always vier on the side of caution. Not I’ve had any bad experiences on this. It’s just something I’ll always question.
 
Advice comes in two main flavours on internet forums @Shroughaun, advice based on direct experience and advice based on what someone has read elsewhere.

Firstly, 300-350m is the top end of the .243 Winchester’s effective range for regular deer species, which you recognise so that’s all good. Depends which deers species you’re talking about obviously. We say “deer” when in fact the various species range from a spaniel sized animal, to an animal weighing up to say 220-240kg.

Secondly the 6.5 Creedmoor with a 140-150gr bullet delivers a significant increase over the 100gr (or lighter) .243 bullet at 300-350m. So ignore comments like “slight increase in punch” above, as it’s just not true. The long for calibre, high BC bullets available today in 6.5mm retain their velocity and energy far more efficiently than the traditional 6mm bullets that can be used in 10” twist barrels. You can consult any of the online ballistic calculators to work this out for yourself, always a good idea.

At 350m I’m bowling full sized, heavy red deer with the Creedmoor as if they were built from papier-mâché. The 143gr ELD-X is close to the perfect bullet, ideal for that kind of range. My sample set to base this comment on is around 500 animals now, from red stags through red yearlings, fallow, feral goats and a dozen or so heavy pigs. I recently started filming what we do here, because I am aware that interweb forum claims are hard to validate... and often scoffed at. I was getting a bit fed up with blokes trotting out the cynical anti-Creedmoor sentiment like “new fangled” and so on.

Nothing wrong with a .270, 7mm08, .308, whatever takes your fancy, but you’ve asked specifically about the 6.5 CM. For someone like me, who actually uses one in the field weekly (or daily, for weeks on end), it can be a wee bit tiresome being told by those that don’t use one, that they know better.

So in summary, the advantages of the 6.5CM at your 300-350m ranges are:
  1. Significant increase in terminal performance over the .243 due to bullet weight, BC and resultant retained energy, in the order of +50-60%
  2. Improved penetration, due to the heavier 6.5mm’s sectional density advantage
  3. Much lower recoil and muzzle blast than a long action cartridge like the .270 Win
  4. A wide selection of excellent factory hunting ammunition
I’ll use the .243 Win all day long sub-300m on our smaller reds and fallow, and definitely goats, and on occasion if circumstances allow I might push it a little further. But in the past several months, I’ve looked at twist rates and BC and determined that at longer ranges, my 6mm shooting is better served by the 6mm Creedmoor. So the .243 Win comes out when I’m expecting to run into animals in the 50-250m kind of range. To be bluntly honest, as a fierce advocate of the .243 Win in the face of all sorts of (usually uninformed) BS, the fact is for the long shots, it’s been superseded by better 6mm cartridges.

The Creedmoor in action... It’s the perfect cartridge for your application.

 
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